Make Your Mind an Ocean
Lama Thubten Yeshe
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The talks in this booklet are on the general topic
of the mind and were given during Lama Yeshes
and Lama Zopa Rinpoches second world tour, in
1975. Most of the people who attended were new to Buddhism
and had never seen a Tibetan lama before, a situation
quite different from what we find today. As ever, Lamas
timeless wisdom shines through, and his teachings are
as relevant today as they were back then.
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Chapter Four
Make Your Mind an Ocean
Look into your mind. If you fervently believe that all your
enjoyment comes from the material objects and dedicate your
entire life to their pursuit, you’re under the control of
a serious misconception. This attitude is not simply an intellectual
thing. When you first hear this, you might think, “Oh, I don’t
have that kind of mind; I don’t have complete faith that external
objects will bring me happiness.” But check more deeply in
the mirror of your mind. You will find that beyond the intellect,
such an attitude is indeed there and that your everyday actions
show that deep within, you really do believe this misconception.
Take a moment now to check within yourself to see whether
or not you really are under the influence of such an inferior
mind.
A mind that has such strong faith in the material world is
narrow, limited; it has no space. Its nature is sick, unhealthy,
or, in Buddhist terminology, dualistic.
In many countries people are afraid of those who act out
of the ordinary, such as those who use drugs. They make laws
against the use of drugs and set up elaborate customs controls
to catch people smuggling them into the country. Examine this
more closely. Drug taking doesn’t come from the drug itself
but from the person’s mind. It would be more sensible to be
afraid of the psychological attitude—the polluted mind—that
makes people take drugs or engage in other self-destructive
behavior, but instead, we make a lot of fuss about the drugs
themselves, completely ignoring the role of the mind. This,
too, is a serious misconception, much worse than the drugs
a few people take.
Misconceptions are much more dangerous than just a few drugs.
Drugs themselves don’t spread too far, but misconceptions
can spread everywhere and cause difficulty and unrest throughout
an entire country. All this comes from the mind. The problem
is that we don’t understand the psychological nature of the
mind. We pay attention to only the physical substances that
people take; we’re totally unaware of the stupid ideas and
polluted misconceptions that are crossing borders all the
time.
All mental problems come from the mind. We have to treat
the mind rather than tell people, “Oh, you’re unhappy because
you’re feeling weak. What you need is a powerful new car...”
or some other kind of material possessions. Telling people
to go buy something to be happy is not wise advice. The person’s
basic problem is mental dissatisfaction, not a lack of material
possessions. When it comes to the approach to mental problems
and how to treat patients, there’s a big difference between
Lord Buddha’s psychology and that which is practiced in the
West.
When the patient returns and says, “Well, I bought the car
you recommended but I’m still unhappy,” perhaps the doctor
will say, “You should have bought a more expensive one” or
“You should have chosen a better color.” Even if he goes away
and does that, he’s still going to come back unhappy. No matter
how many superficial changes are made to a person’s environment,
his problems won’t stop. Buddhist psychology recommends that,
instead of constantly substituting one agitated condition
for another—thereby simply changing one problem into another
and then another and then another without end—give up cars
completely for a while and see what happens. Sublimating one
problem into another solves nothing; it’s merely change. Though
change may often be enough to fool people into thinking they’re
getting better, they’re not. Basically they’re still experiencing
the same thing. Of course, I don’t mean all this literally.
I’m simply trying to illustrate how people try to solve mental
problems through physical means.
Recognize the nature of your mind. As human beings, we always
seek satisfaction. By knowing the nature of the mind, we can
satisfy ourselves internally; perhaps even eternally. But
you must realize the nature of your own mind. We see the sense
world so clearly, but we’re completely blind to our internal
world, where the constant functioning of misconceptions keep
us under the control of unhappiness and dissatisfaction. This
is what we must discover.
It is crucial, therefore, to make sure that you are not laboring
under the misconception that only external objects can give
you satisfaction or make your life worthwhile. As I said before,
this belief is not simply intellectual—the long root of this
delusion reaches deep into your mind. Many of your strongest
desires are buried far below your intellect; that which lies
beneath the intellect is usually much stronger than the intellect
itself.
Some people might think, “My basic psychology is sound. I
don’t have faith in materials; I’m a student of religion.”
Simply having learned some religious philosophy or doctrine
doesn’t make you a spiritual person. Many university professors
can give clear intellectual explanations of Buddhism, Hinduism
and Christianity, but that alone doesn’t make them spiritual
people. They’re more like tourist guides for the spiritually
curious. If you can’t put your words into experience, your
learning helps neither yourselves nor others. There’s a big
difference between being able to explain religion intellectually
and transforming that knowledge into spiritual experience.
You have to put what you’ve learned into your own experience
and understand the results that various actions bring. A cup
of tea is probably of more use than learned scholarship of
a philosophy that cannot support your mind because you don’t
have the key—at least it quenches your thirst. Studying a
philosophy that doesn’t function is a waste of time and energy.
I hope that you understand what the word “spiritual” really
means. It means to search for, to investigate, the true nature
of the mind. There’s nothing spiritual outside. My rosary
isn’t spiritual; my robes aren’t spiritual. Spiritual means
the mind, and spiritual people are those who seek its nature.
Through this, they come to understand the effects of their
behavior, the actions of their body, speech and mind. If you
don’t understand the karmic results of what you think and
do, there’s no way for you to become a spiritual person. Just
knowing some religious philosophy isn’t enough to make you
spiritual.
To enter the spiritual path, you must begin to understand
your own mental attitude and how your mind perceives things.
If you’re all caught up in attachment to tiny atoms, your
limited, craving mind will make it impossible for you to enjoy
life’s pleasures. External energy is so incredibly limited
that if you allow yourself to be bound by it, your mind itself
will become just as limited. When your mind is narrow, small
things agitate you very easily. Make your mind an ocean.
We hear religious people talk a lot about morality. What
is morality? Morality is the wisdom that understands the nature
of the mind. The mind that understands its own nature automatically
becomes moral, or positive; and the actions motivated by such
a mind also become positive. That’s what we call morality.
The basic nature of the narrow mind is ignorance; therefore
the narrow mind is negative.
If you know the psychological nature of your own mind, depression
is spontaneously dispelled; instead of being enemies and strangers,
all living beings become your friends. The narrow mind rejects;
wisdom accepts. Check your own mind to see whether or not
this is true. Even if you were to get every possible sense
pleasure that the universe could offer, you would still not
be satisfied. That shows that satisfaction comes from within,
not from anything external.
Sometimes we marvel at the modern world: “What fantastic
advances scientific technology has made; how wonderful! We
never had these things before.” But step back and take another
look. Many of the things we thought fantastic not so long
ago are now rising up against us. Things we developed to help
our lives are now hurting us. Don’t just look at your immediate
surroundings, but check as widely as possible; you’ll see
the truth of what I’m saying. When we first create material
things we think, “Oh, this is useful.” But gradually this
external energy turns inward and destroys itself. Such is
the nature of the four elements: earth, water, fire and air.
This is what Buddhist science teaches us.
Your body is no exception to this rule. As long as your elements
are cooperating with each other, your body grows beautifully.
But after a while the elements turn against themselves and
finish up destroying your life. Why does this happen? Because
of the limited nature of material phenomena: when their power
is exhausted, they collapse, like the old and crumbling buildings
we see around us. When our bodies become sick and decrepit
it’s a sign that our internal energies are in conflict, out
of balance. This is the nature of the material world; it has
nothing to do with faith. As long as we keep being born into
the meat, blood and bone of the human body, we’re going to
experience bad conditions, whether we believe it or not. This
is the natural evolution of the worldly body.
The human mind, however, is completely different. The human
mind has the potential for infinite development. If you can
discover, even in a small way, that true satisfaction comes
from your mind, you will realize that you can extend this
experience without limit and that it is possible to discover
everlasting satisfaction.
It’s actually very simple. You can check for yourself right
now. Where do you experience the feeling of satisfaction?
In your nose? Your eye? Your head? Your lung? Your heart?
Your stomach? Where is that feeling of satisfaction? In your
leg? Your hand? Your brain? No! It’s in your mind. If you
say it’s in your brain, why can’t you say it’s in your nose
or your leg? Why do you differentiate? If your leg hurts,
you feel it down there, not inside your head. Anyway, whatever
pain, pleasure or other feeling you experience, it’s all an
expression of mind.
When you say, “I had a good day today,” it shows that you’re
holding in your mind the memory of a bad day. Without the
mind creating labels, there’s neither good experience nor
bad. When you say that tonight’s dinner was good, it means
that you’re holding the experience of a bad dinner in mind.
Without the experience of a bad dinner it’s impossible for
you to call tonight’s good.
Similarly, “I’m a good husband,” “I’m a bad wife,” are also
merely expressions of mind. Someone who says, “I am bad” is
not necessarily bad; someone who says, “I am good” is not
necessarily good. Perhaps the man who says, “I’m such a good
husband” does so because his mind is full of the disturbing
negative mind of pride. His narrow mind, stuck in the deluded,
concrete belief that he’s good, actually causes much difficulty
for his wife. How, then, is he a good husband? Even if he
does provide food and clothing for his wife, how can he be
a good husband, when day after day she has to live with his
arrogance?
If you can understand the psychological aspects of human
problems, you can really generate true loving-kindness towards
others. Just talking about loving-kindness doesn’t help you
develop it. Some people may have read about loving-kindness
hundreds of times but their minds are the very opposite. It’s
not just philosophy, not just words; it’s knowing how the
mind functions. Only then can you develop loving-kindness;
only then can you become a spiritual person. Otherwise, though
you might be convinced you’re a spiritual person, it’s just
intellectual, like the arrogant man who believes he’s a good
husband. It’s a fiction; your mind just makes it up.
It is so worthwhile that you devote your precious human life
to controlling your mad elephant mind and giving direction
to your powerful mental energy. If you don’t harness your
mental energy, confusion will continue to rage through your
mind and your life will be completely wasted. Be as wise with
your own mind as you possibly can. That makes your life worthwhile.
I don’t have much else to tell you, but if you have any questions,
please ask.
Q: I understand what you said about knowing the nature
of your own mind bringing you happiness, but you used the
term “everlasting,” which implies that if you understand your
mind completely, you can transcend death of the physical body.
Is this correct?
Lama: Yes, that’s right. But that’s not all. If you
know how, when negative physical energy arises, you can convert
it into wisdom. In this way your negative energy digests itself
and doesn’t end up blocking your psychic nervous system. That’s
possible.
Q: Is the mind body, or is the body mind?
Lama: What do you mean?
Q: Because I perceive the body.
Lama: Because you perceive it? Do you perceive this
rosary [holding it up]?
Q: Yes.
Lama: Does that make it mind? Because you perceive
it?
Q: That’s what I’m asking you.
Lama: Well, that’s a good question. Your body and
mind are very strongly connected; when something affects your
body it also affects your mind. But that doesn’t mean that
the relative nature of your physical body, its meat and bone,
is mind. You can’t say that.
Q: What are the aims of Buddhism: enlightenment,
brotherhood, universal love, super consciousness, realization
of the truth, the attainment of nirvana?
Lama: All of the above: super consciousness, the
fully awakened state of mind, universal love, and an absence
of partiality or bias based on the realization that all living
beings throughout the universe are equal in wanting to be
happy and to avoid feeling unhappy. At the moment, our dualistic,
wrong-conception minds discriminate: “This is my close friend,
I want to keep her for myself and not share her with others.”
One of Buddhism’s aims is to attain the opposite of this,
universal love. Of course, the ultimate goal is enlightenment.
In short, the aim of Lord Buddha’s teachings on the nature
of the mind is for us to gain all those realizations you mentioned.
Q: But which is considered to be the highest or most
important aim?
Lama: The highest aims are enlightenment and the
development of universal love. The narrow mind finds it difficult
to experience such realizations.
Q: In Tibetan paintings, how do colors correspond
with states of meditation or different psychological states?
Lama: Different kinds of mind perceive different
colors. We say that when we are angry we see red. That’s a
good example. Other states of mind visualize their own respective
colors. In some cases, where people are emotionally disturbed
and unable to function in their daily lives, surrounding them
with certain colors can help settle them down. If you think
about this you will discover that color really comes from
the mind. When you get angry and see red, is that color internal
or external? Think about it.
Q: What are the practical, daily life implications
of your saying that in order to have the idea that something
is good you must also have in your mind the idea of bad?
Lama: I was saying that when you interpret things
as good or bad it’s your own mind’s interpretation. What’s
bad for you is not necessarily bad for me.
Q: But my bad is still my bad.
Lama: Your bad is bad for you because your mind calls
it bad.
Q: Can I go beyond that?
Lama: Yes, you can go beyond that. You have to ask
and answer the question, “Why do I call this bad?” You have
to question both the object and the subject, both the external
and the internal situations. In that way you can realize that
the reality is somewhere in between, that in the space between
the two there’s a unified mind. That’s wisdom.
Q: How old were you when you entered the monastery?
Lama: I was six.
Q: What is nirvana?
Lama: When you transcend the wrong-conception, agitated
mind and attain fully integrated, everlastingly satisfied
wisdom, you have reached nirvana.
Q: Every religion says that it is the one way to
enlightenment. Does Buddhism recognize all religions as coming
from the same source?
Lama: There are two ways of answering that question,
the absolute and the relative. Religions that emphasize the
attainment of enlightenment are probably talking about the
same thing, but where they differ is in their approach, in
their methods. I think this is helpful. But it’s also true
that some religions may be based on misconceptions. Nevertheless,
I don’t repudiate them. For example, a couple of thousand
years ago there were some ancient Hindu traditions that believed
the sun and moon to be gods; some of them still exist. From
my point of view, those conceptions are wrong, but I still
say that they’re good. Why? Because even though philosophically
they’re incorrect, they still teach the basic morality of
being a good human being and not harming others. That gives
their followers the possibility of reaching the point where
they discover for themselves, “Oh, I used to believe that
the sun was a god but now I see I was wrong.” Therefore, there’s
good in every religion and we should not judge, “This is totally
right; that is totally wrong.”
Q: As far as you know, what is life like for people
in Tibet these days? Are they free to pursue their Buddhist
religion as before?
Lama: They are not free and are completely prohibited
from any religious practice. The Chinese authorities are totally
against anything to do with religion. Monasteries have been
destroyed and sacred scriptures burned.
Q: But even though their books have been burned,
do the older people still keep the Dharma in their hearts
and minds, or have they forgotten everything?
Lama: It’s impossible to forget, to separate their
minds from such powerful wisdom. So the Dharma remains in
their hearts.
Q: All religions, for example, Hinduism, teach their
adherents to avoid evil actions and to practice good ones
and that good karmic results will ensue. How, according to
Buddhism, does this accumulation of positive karma help one
attain enlightenment?
Lama: Mental development does not happen through
radical change. Defilements are eliminated, or purified, slowly,
slowly. There’s a gradual evolution. It takes time. Some people,
for instance, cannot accept what Buddhism teaches about universal
love, that you should want others to have the happiness that
you want for yourself. They feel, “It’s impossible for me
to love all others as I love myself.” It takes time for them
to realize universal love or enlightenment because their minds
are preoccupied by misconceptions and there’s no space for
wisdom. But slowly, slowly, through practicing their religion,
people can be lead to perfect wisdom. That’s why I say that
a variety of religions is necessary for the human race. Physical
change is easy, but mental development takes time. For example,
a doctor might tell a sick person, “Your temperature is very
high, so please avoid meat and eat only dry biscuits for a
few days.” Then, as the person starts to recover, the doctor
slowly reintroduces heavy food into his diet. In that way
the doctor gradually leads the person back to perfect health.
Q: When Tibetan monks and nuns die, do their bodies
disappear, do they take their bodies with them?
Lama: Yes, they carry them to their next lives in
their jola [monk’s shoulder bag]...I’m joking! No, that’s
impossible. Still, there are certain practitioners whose bodies
are digested into wisdom and actually disappear. That’s possible.
But they don’t take their bodies with them physically.
Q: Since our minds can deceive us, and without a
teacher we can’t discover the truth, are Buddhist monasteries
designed so that each monk pulls his colleagues up to the
next step of knowledge, in a sort of chain? Is that what you’re
doing now, and do you teach in order to learn?
Lama: Yes, monasteries are something like that, and
it’s also true that I learn as I teach. But why we need teachers
is because book knowledge is just dry information and if left
as such can be as relevant as the wind whistling through the
trees. We need a key to put it into experience, to unify that
knowledge with our minds. Then know-ledge becomes wisdom and
the perfect solution to problems. For example, the Bible is
an excellent book that contains all kinds of great methods,
but if you don’t have the key, the knowledge that’s in the
Bible doesn’t enter your heart. Just because a book is excellent
doesn’t necessarily mean that by reading it you’ll gain the
knowledge it contains. The only way that can happen is for
your mind to first develop wisdom.
Q: You said that getting enlightened is a gradual
process, but surely you can’t be both enlightened and unenlightened
at the same time. Wouldn’t that mean, therefore, that enlightenment
is sudden?
Lama: Of course, you’re right. You can’t be enlightened
and ignorant together. Approaching enlightenment is a gradual
process, but once you attain it, there’s no going back; when
you reach the fully awakened state of mind, the moment you
experience that, you remain enlightened forever. It’s not
like some hallucinatory drug experience—when you’re high you’re
having a good time, and when the effect of the drug wears
off you’re back down to your usual depressed self.
Q: And we can experience that in this life, permanent
enlightenment, while we’re still alive, before we die?
Lama: Yes, that’s possible. In this life...if you
have enough wisdom.
Q: Oh...if you have enough wisdom?
Lama: Yes...that’s the catch: if you have enough
wisdom.
Q: Why do we need a teacher?
Lama: Why do you need an English teacher? For communication.
It’s the same thing with enlightenment. Enlightenment is also
communication. Even for mundane activities like shopping we
need to learn the language so that we can communicate with
the shopkeepers. If we need teachers for that, of course we
need someone to guide us along a path that deals with so many
unknowns like past and future lives and deep levels of consciousness.
These are entirely new experiences; you don’t know where you’re
going or what’s happening. You need someone to make sure you’re
on the right track and not hallucinating.
Q: Who taught the first teacher?
Lama: Wisdom. The first teacher was wisdom.
Q: Well, if the first teacher didn’t have a human
teacher, why do any of us need one?
Lama: Because there’s no beginning, and there’s no
end. Wisdom is universal wisdom, wisdom is universal consciousness.
Q: Does generating universal love bring you to enlightenment
or do you first have to reach enlightenment and then generate
universal love?
Lama: First you generate universal love. Then your
mind attains the realization of equilibrium, where you emphasize
neither this nor that. Your mind attains a state of balance.
In Buddhist terminology, you reach beyond the dualistic mind.
Q: Is it true that the mind can only take you so
far on the spiritual path and that at some point, in order
to go further, you have to give up your mind?
Lama: How can you give up your mind? I’m joking.
No, it’s impossible for you to abandon your mind. While you’re
a human, living what we call an ordinary life, you have mind;
when you reach enlightenment, you still have mind. Your mind
is always with you. You can’t get rid of it simply by saying,
“I don’t want to have a mind.” Karmically, your mind and body
are stuck together. It’s impossible to relinquish your mind
intellectually. If your mind were a material phenomenon, perhaps
you could, but it’s not.
Q: Do lamas ever become physically ill, and if so,
what method do you use to overcome the illness? Do you use
healing power?
Lama: Yes, sometimes we use healing power; sometimes
we use the power of mantra; sometimes we meditate. At certain
other times we do puja. Do you know what that is? Some people
think it’s just ritual chanting and bell ringing, but it’s
much more than that. Puja is a Sanskrit word whose literal
meaning is “offering”; but its interpretive meaning is wisdom,
an awakened state of mind. So, if your wisdom is ringing,
“ting, ting, ting,” that’s good, but if your wisdom isn’t
ringing and the only ting, ting, ting you hear is the external
one, then that’s no puja.
Q: What you’re saying is not that far removed from
Western materialist philosophy. Our problems are not so much
with objects as with our attitude towards them.
Lama: When you say attitude, are you referring to
the mental tendency to grasp or not to grasp at material objects?
Q: Well, external objects do exist, but they exist
outside of ourselves, and our consciousness perceives them
on the same plane. I believe that when we die, the objects
remain, but not for us, not for the individual.
Lama: I agree with you. When we die, the external
objects are still there, but our interpretation of them, our
projection, disappears. Yes, that’s right.
Q: So how is that so radically opposed to materialistic
philosophy? Why do you say that the external world is illusory
when after our consciousness departs, the material world remains?
Lama: I say that the material world is illusory because
the objects you perceive exist only in the view of your own
mind. Look at this table: the problem is that you think that
when you disappear, your view of this table still exists,
that this table continues to exist just the way you saw it.
That’s not true. Your view of the table disappears, but another
view of the table continues to exist.
Q: How can we recognize the right teacher?
Lama: You can recognize your teacher through using
your own wisdom and not just following someone blindly. Investigate
potential teachers as much as you possibly can. “Is this the
right teacher for me or not?” Check deeply before you follow
any teacher’s advice. In Tibetan we have an admonition not
to take a teacher like a dog seizes a piece of meat. If you
give a hungry dog a piece of meat he’ll just gobble it up
without hesitation. It is crucial that you examine possible
spiritual leaders, teachers, gurus or whatever you call them
very, very carefully before accepting their guidance. Remember
what I said before about misconceptions and polluted doctrines
being more dangerous than drugs? If you follow the misconceptions
of a false spiritual guide it can have a disastrous effect
on you and cause you to waste not only this life but many
others as well. Instead of helping you, it can bring you great
harm. Please, be very wise in choosing your spiritual teacher.
Q: Since you are a Buddhist monk from Tibet, I’m
wondering if you’ve heard of Lobsang Rampa, who has written
many detailed books about Tibet despite having never been
there himself? He’s dead now, but he said that the spirit
of a Tibetan lama entered him and that’s how he could write
what he did. Is that possible, and if not, how could he have
written those books?
Lama: I don’t think that this kind of possession
is possible. Also, you should check what he wrote more carefully;
there are many mistakes in his books. For example, when he
talks about lamas opening the wisdom eye he says it’s done
surgically. That’s not right. The wisdom eye is a metaphor
for spiritual insight and it’s opened by lamas who have the
key of wisdom. Also, those who have realizations don’t talk
about them, and those who talk about their realizations don’t
have them.
Q: Lama, what do you mean by dualistic mind, and
what do you mean by “checking up”?
Lama: From the time you were born up to the present,
two things have always complicated your mind; there are always
two things, never just one. That’s what we mean by the dualistic
mind. Whenever you see one thing, your mind automatically,
instinctively, compares it to something else: “What about
that?” Those two things upset your equilibrium. That’s the
dualistic mind at work. Now, your other question. When I say
check up, I mean that you should investigate your own mind
to see if it’s healthy or not. Every morning, check your mental
state to make sure that during the day you don’t freak out.
That’s all I mean by “check up.”
Q: If everything is karmically determined, how do
we know if our motivation is correct, or do we have a chance
of unconditioned choice?
Lama: Pure motivation is not determined by karma.
Pure motivation comes from understanding-knowledge-wisdom.
If there’s no understanding in your mind it’s difficult for
your motivation to be pure. For example, if I don’t understand
my own selfish nature, I can’t help others. As long as I don’t
recognize my selfish behavior, I always blame others for my
problems. When I know my own mind, my motivation becomes pure
and I can sincerely dedicate the actions of my body, speech
and mind to the welfare of others. Thank you, that was a wonderful
question, and I think that pure motivation is a good place
to stop.
Thank you so much. If we have pure motivation, we sleep well,
dream well and enjoy well, so thank you very much.
Assembly Hall, Melbourne, Australia, 27 March 1975
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