Kopan Course No. 43 (2010)

By Kyabje Lama Zopa Rinpoche
Kopan Monastery, Nepal (Archive #1854)

These teachings were given by Kyabje Lama Thubten Zopa Rinpoche at the 43rd Kopan Meditation Course, held at Kopan Monastery, Nepal, in Dec 2010. The transcripts are lightly edited by Gordon McDougall.

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Lecture One: December 6, 2010

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THE IMPRINT EXISTS BUT ONLY AS A MERE LABEL

[The lecture on the 5th of December was inaudible]

[Rinpoche recites Lama drompa chom den da…]

All the rest expresses the different names, the different qualities of the lama, all the rest is, except the last one, chak tsel lo, which is “I prostrate with my body, speech and mind.” So, from the beginning, the lama is very deep subject, most profound; it has secret meaning.

The great enlightened being, the deity Heruka, Pabongka Dechen Nyingpo mentioned in the first stanza of Calling the Guru From Afar: “May the guru understand me.” Lama Kyen, Lama Kyen, Lama Kyen; he says this three times, “Please understand me, please understand me, please understand me.”

Gyal-wa Kun Gyi Yeshe, that’s describing the real meaning of the lama, the guru. Lama means “one with peerless qualities.” There’s nobody higher than that, there’s nobody higher than that by quality. Just that word, that’s the meaning of lama in Tibetan or guru in Sanskrit.

Of Gyalwa kun gyi yeshe, the gyal-wa is victorious, which means a buddha has victory over the enemy, the four maras: the mara of afflictive delusions, the mara of the Lord of Death, the mara of the aggregates. There are pure aggregates and impure aggregates and the impure aggregates—our aggregates—are caused by karma and delusion, action and disturbing thought, in Tibetan, nyon-mong mon-pa, disturbing thought. You can add one more word, “obscuring”: disturbing, obscuring thought.

What is disturbing is obscuring. Instead of freeing us from suffering, instead of freeing us from hallucinations, all the cheating mind, all the wrong concepts that cheats us and cheats others, deceives us and deceives others—instead of freeing ourselves from that, instead of awakening us from that, then we delude ourselves. Instead of awakening, we delude ourselves, we obscure ourselves. So, that’s disturbing, obscuring thoughts. That’s the Tibetan term, nyon-mong mon-pa. It describes what it does to our mind, what effect we get from that; it disturbs. Disturbing is the main thing, obscuring your mind, deluding our mind.

That’s how we have been suffering all the time for beginningless rebirths, not only from this morning, not only from our birth in this life, not just that, but from lives before that. Why we’re suffering in this life is because this is a continuation of the past lives which were all also suffering lives.

If the past life was not suffering, we couldn’t suffer in this life. But the past life was a suffering life; it had delusions and that’s why we have delusions, why we are born with delusions in this life.
It’s not just a question this life and the past life, but it’s been like that from beginningless rebirths, life has been like this, have been suffering because of the delusions, the wrong concepts, because of the mind being under the control of that, dictated by that, controlled by that.

Then your actions of body, speech, mind being under that control, delusion, under the delusion, not wisdom, not under the control of the pure mind, the wisdom, the compassion, so forth, not like that, but under the control of delusion, so that becomes cause of suffering, actions of the body, speech, and mind.

This is how it’s been from beginningless rebirths, that’s how we have been suffering. These aggregates we have are caused by karma and delusion, they are under the control of karma and delusion, so that’s why they are in the nature of suffering; that’s why our live is pervaded by suffering.

These aggregates are pervaded by suffering because they are under the control of karma and delusion. These aggregates are contaminated the seed of delusions, the imprint, which is in nature of imprint. I just remembered her question from yesterday about imprints.

So that’s the short answer, the very short answer to her question. Sorry, this is taking us away, but when we think about imprints, when we question what imprints are, how imprints appear to us, how we can believe them, I have no idea.

In any case, the imprint that appears to us appears as not merely labeled by mind; it appears as a real imprint in the sense existing from its own side, a real imprint, by using the ordinary people’s term “real.” In the philosophical texts, in the Dharma texts, the Buddha says it exists from its own side or by its nature or inherently, truly existent. But the meaning is the same. It’s just different ways of expressing it, but the meaning is the same.

If it appears to us in that way, as a “real” imprint, and not only that, but secondly our mind believes that it is true, that’s the second mistake. The first mistake is appearing wrong way, the first mistake is the imprint appearing in a mistaken way. The second mistake is our mind believing it to be true. That is a total hallucination. That’s a total hallucination. It is totally non-existent right there from where it is appearing, it is totally non-existent right there. There’s not even an atom of that exist from its own side. There’s not even an atom of that exist from its own side; it’s totally empty.

So, that’s the emptiness, that’s the ultimate nature, the emptiness of the imprint.

Because the way it appears and the way we hold on to it do not exist at all, even the slightest, even atom of that, that doesn’t mean there’s no imprint. There is an imprint. What that imprint is, is nothing else except what is merely imputed by the mind. The way the imprint has been appearing to us [is something different], but what exists is only what is merely labeled by mind, only that. Other than that the imprint doesn’t exist at all, it doesn’t exist from its own side at all.

The imprint exists. I forget what I was trying to say. The way the imprint has been appearing to us from not just now, not just from today or this morning or yesterday or from childhood and birth, but from past lives, from beginningless rebirths—the way it has been appearing is as something real, and then, besides that mistake, that hallucination, we allow our mind to hold on to that as really true. This is what has been appearing to us from beginningless rebirths up to now, this is the way we have let our mind hold on to that, but it is totally empty, non-existent, completely empty.

The way we’ve been believing from beginningless rebirths up to now, the way it’s been appearing and the way we’ve been believing, the way we’ve let our mind hold onto it as true from beginningless rebirths up to now, that is totally non-existent, totally non-existent, empty.

Here we are talking the very heart, the very truth, the very nature of the phenomena, what it really is—what is true and what is false; what exists and what doesn’t exist, what is the correct understanding and what is the wrong concept. Relating to the thought, this is wisdom and ignorance. So this is first object, truth and false.

The whole world’s suffering—all the global problems, all the individual problems—is mainly due to this ignorance, not understanding what’s the truth and what’s false in life.

We don’t see the truth. We don’t see the very nature of phenomena. I’m not talking about every sentient being; I’m just relating it to us, to ordinary sentient beings like us, like myself. I’m not using all sentient beings. Of course many sentient beings through meditation practice, by purifying the mind, by collecting extensive merits, by developing guru devotion, get these realizations and see the truth, the very nature of the I and aggregates and phenomena and so forth.

Then there are arya beings, the arhats, the meditators who achieve the right seeing path and the path of meditation, who directly see emptiness, the truth of the I and phenomena, the aggregates and then other phenomena, and there are of course arya bodhisattvas who directly see emptiness, and of course no question there are buddhas who see the emptiness of all the phenomena, every single phenomenon including emptiness of the emptiness.

As I’ve mentioned, I’m explaining this on the basis of, related to the imprint of what’s false, what’s the truth, and the wisdom, the truth that realizes that wisdom.

So what I’m saying is this is the cause of all the individual suffering and global problems, causing sentient beings to circle in the samsara, in one of the six types of realms continuously from beginningless rebirths up to now. And they are still in cyclic existence.

Maybe I’ll say this first, hopefully now it’s okay to mention this. For most people it might be okay.
I mentioned about the imprint, the way it’s been appearing from beginningless rebirths up to now, in that way, appearing as a real one, existing from its own side and not merely labeled by the mind. I described it like that.

NO MATTER WHERE WE LOOK WE CAN’T FIND THE I
From beginningless rebirths and from our side, the mind has never realized that it is false, it is a totally wrong belief. This is the ignorance that has been with us from beginningless rebirths up to now. It’s just like this with all the rest of phenomena. Even with our own I, the self, it’s like that; it’s totally wrong, totally wrong, even relating to the I. That leaves an imprint. That’s an example, the I, ourselves—the I that exists is what is merely imputed by the mind—that exists. I’m not saying that the I doesn’t exist.

The I exists but it is nothing else except what is merely imputed by the mind. How the I, the self, exists is extremely, extremely unbelievably, most unbelievably most unbelievably subtle. It is most, the most subtle one, it’s merely imputed by mind, nothing else than that—that is what exists, just that.

We can see that it is totally empty, totally empty of this real I that we have been believing in from this morning, that we have been believing in from birth, that we have been believing in from beginningless rebirths, it is totally empty. The I that exists is totally empty of that real I. It is not at all that I that we’ve been believing in from this morning, “I have been doing this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this. I have been doing meditations, doing the Kopan Course. I’m staying in Nepal, this very poor place, but very holy; very poor, but very holy!” [Rinpoche laughs] The total opposite of New York! Or Los Angeles.

I’ve just come from Los Angeles. I watched it from the airplane; it’s so vast, unbelievably vast, like the sky, amazing. But you don’t see New York so much like that, as spread as that. Amazing.

So what I’m saying is that the I has been appearing as a real one, in the sense of existing from its own side, in the sense of not merely labeled by the mind, not merely labeled from the side of the mind.

When we’re born, we’re born with that appearance, with that hallucination of ourselves, we’re born with that hallucination of ourselves, with that hallucination of our I, in the same way we had that hallucination in the past.

From beginningless rebirths, this hallucination has been there, this I has appeared as a real one. I’m just using the common people’s term but there are also other terms, “truly-existent one” and so forth. From beginningless rebirths up to now, up to this second, we have held this hallucination, this I which has never come into existence, never come into existence even for one second. This real I has never come into existence even for one second from beginningless rebirths. It’s always empty, from beginningless rebirths up to now. That’s the reality.

That’s the emptiness. It’s totally, completely empty, completely non-existent from beginningless rebirths. From the very beginning it’s been empty this way. That is the truth, the ultimate nature of the I.

The next mistake is we let our mind hold onto this hallucination, this false I, as real. We see this false I as real, as true. Not just this morning, not just from birth, but from beginningless rebirths, we have held this total wrong belief of this I that has never come in existence from the beginning, even for a second, but this hallucination holds onto it a hundred percent, that this is right, true, not only now, not only this moment, but from beginningless rebirths. That is the totally wrong belief.

Actually this subject should come much later, after bodhicitta. In the Mahayana teachings, there is the graduated path of the lower capable being, and then the graduated path of the middle capable being, and then the graduated path of the higher capable being. Then after bodhicitta comes the last subject, emptiness. [Rinpoche laughs]

It’s safer for guiding the mind, and so for the lower intelligent being, there may be some danger of falling into nihilism, thinking that nothing exists at all. The understanding doesn’t stay in the middle way, even though it’s explained but the idea is not understood and we slip, we fall into nihilism.

There’s eternalism, but then we can fall into nihilism where nothing exists—no karma, no reincarnation. I’m just saying that for some people this can be a danger. I think maybe here, however, after so much meditating on and thinking about or discussing reincarnation and karma, about life, you have some understanding about what life is, the real, real discussion about life, what the really life is, so it comes to this one.

This ignorance, holding the I that doesn’t exist the wrong way, is a huge issue, it is a huge issue, it is the biggest issue. The mistake is the biggest mistake; the hallucination is the biggest hallucination. We don’t see the truth, we don’t see the I that exists. What we have been believing, the way it has been appearing to us and what we have been believing is totally, totally false. It’s not there; it’s totally false. If we look, it’s not there. If we check, it’s not there.

Neither the aggregate of form nor the aggregate of feeling are that real I, that real me. We always point our finger here [Rinpoche points (possibly to chest)] [thinking this is] “me.” Or somebody calls our name or says, “Hi!” and we say, “Are you calling me?”

I don’t know whether you do this, I’m not sure, I don’t remember but when you’re unhappy, do you say, “Today I’m so unhappy” and point here? When you’re happy, you do this, [Rinpoche points] but when you’re unhappy, you do this. [Rinpoche points (possibly to another area of his body)]. I’m not sure. But you definitely point like this. You point here, you point here, but wherever you point, there’s no I there—outside or inside, wherever you point, wherever you touch, the I’s not there.

What I’m saying is that the aggregate of form is not that real I, but neither are aggregates of cognition, of feeling, of recognition [discrimination]—recognizing, cognizing this and this and this and this, is not that real I. Then, the compounding aggregates, there are the six principle consciousness and the fifty-one mental factors. As far as the body and the mind, the mind has six principal consciousnesses, and then these fifty-one mental factors, so if we take out feeling and cognition, the rest of the mental factors are what is called “compounding aggregates”—aggregates that compound the result. This present mental factor compounds the next second’s result.

The compounding aggregates are not the real I and the aggregate of consciousness is not the real I. Even all together, even all these five aggregates together are not the real I, the way it’s been appearing to us from beginningless rebirths and the way we’ve been holding onto to that a hundred percent, entrusting that a hundred percent from beginningless rebirths. There’s no question at all that we have totally believed that from beginningless rebirths.

This collection of five aggregates is not this real I, the I that has been appearing to us from beginningless rebirths, the I that we’ve been holding onto as true. This collection—all the five aggregates together—is not this real I at all.

The collection of the five aggregates is the base to be labeled I. It’s not the I because it’s the base to be labeled I. There are two different phenomena, the base and label I. The collection of the five aggregates is the base and the I is the label that’s imputed onto that base. There are two different phenomena; they do not exist separately but they do exist differently. We have to understand that.

The collection of the five aggregates is not at all the I, not at all. The collection of the five aggregates is what is to be received, and the I is the receiver. The I is the receiver and the collection of five aggregates is what is received. So, they are two different phenomena.

Or we can say that the I is the possessor and the collection of the five aggregates is the possession, and so they are two different phenomena. It’s very important to as much as possible understand that those two are two different phenomena. There are many ways we can see it, and one is the aggregates as base and the I as label.

I don’t remember exactly but in Lama Tsongkhapa’s Middle Lamrim there are ten examples, ten ways of showing how those two are two different phenomena. Each way points to how we can’t find this real I anywhere on the collection of the five aggregates. We can’t find the real I at all. From the tip of the hair down to the toes, there is nowhere we can find this real I that we’ve been believing in from beginningless time, believing a hundred percent that it exists. Until now from beginningless rebirths we have been believing in it but if we look for it we can’t find it, from the tip of the hair down to the toes, even the toenails. [Rinpoche laughs] Even the tip of the nails.

Of course we have to meditate, we must meditate so it becomes clearer. We always point here [Rinpoche points to himself] always here inside, we’re not pointing outside the skin, [showing we think] the I is there outside the skin. We’re not pointing like this, we’re pointing inside. But as I mentioned already, from the tip of the hair down to the toes, we can’t find here inside, nowhere inside can it be found. There’s nothing we can point to and say, ‘Oh, the I is here! Oh, the I is here!’ We cannot. We can’t find it by going to hospital and having an operation on our chest, asking the doctor to operate on our chest and then look for the I.

I was surprised that operation was never done in a hospital, looking for the I, paying a billion dollars and asking the doctors to operate, saying, “If you find the I, then I’ll give you billion dollars!” [Rinpoche laughs] We cannot find it there at all.

For sure there’s nowhere we can find it, but particularly in the chest, where we’ve been pointing all the time, not there at all. Even though the anger arises from the heart and not from the head, but not this heart, not this heart where you do the operation. Even though the anger, attachment, jealousy, compassion, devotion doesn’t come from the head, doesn’t come from the brain down, doesn’t go from the brain to the heart, we feel it comes from the heart. Even though it’s like this but the I cannot be found even there. So I want to mention this one. My guess is I don’t think it’s been discussed yet in science.

There was one a person in Tibet where I lived three years who didn’t have a head. I didn’t see this but my guru, His Holiness Zong Rinpoche, told me. This person didn’t have a head but if he wanted to be under the sun he made a gesture or if he was hungry or something he rubbed his stomach. Maybe for food he put a spoon of food, tsampa, here through the neck. His Holiness Zong Rinpoche told me that.

Now to prove that, I saw in a Dharma text by a great lama from Amdo, Gungtang Tenpai Dronme This lama’s like a sun shining in this world, benefiting sentient beings and the teachings of the Buddha, unbelievable, like only one sun but it dispels all the darkness in the world. This lama’s benefit is like that to numberless sentient beings.

So anyway Gungtang Tenpai Dronme mentioned in texts I have seen that in Kham there was a person without a head, he described it in the text, so that I don’t think it’s come in scientific knowledge that person can live without a head. Because in the West, everything’s to do with the brain, everything’s through the brain. But of course, in our daily life, anger doesn’t come from the brain; attachment doesn’t come from the brain. From your own experience I’m sure you must know that. It doesn’t come from the head; you feel it from the heart, but not the heart there. Devotion, a positive mind, a negative mind all come from the heart.

These stories should help us understand reincarnation, the continuity of the mind, even about the person who doesn’t have a head but is still alive, who can still communicate with the hands.

As I mentioned, both the negative thoughts and positive thoughts we feel arising, coming down from the brain, we feel from the heart, it’s very gross experience.

So now the next one, it’s very important here, this real I that we believe in now—the way this has been appearing to us and how we have believed it to be from beginningless rebirths—this real I, the way it appears real is as existing from its own side, not merely labeled by mind. Then our mind holds onto that, entrusting that to be really true, not only now, not only this life, but from beginningless rebirths. This real I we can neither find on these aggregates nor can we find anywhere.

We can neither find it on these aggregates—we can make that clear [when we search for it.] We can neither find it on these aggregates nor can we find it anywhere. This second point, we can’t find it anywhere, that analysis is very important.

I’ve explained this here but we have to meditate on it, we have to analyze by ourselves, how this real I doesn’t exist anywhere; neither on this nor anywhere does it exist. That means we can’t find it anywhere; that proves that it is a total hallucination, that this I is totally false. It is totally non-existent, totally non-existent, totally non-existent.

With the discovery of this real I’s total non-existence—how it’s totally non-existent here inside this body, in the chest, totally non-existent on these aggregates—with this total discovery then when somebody criticizes us, telling us, “Oh, you’re so selfish” or “You’re so bad” [Rinpoche laughs] it does nothing to us, it does nothing to us. When we analyze the effect of these things, it doesn’t affect us at all. If somebody saying we’re so selfish or bad it’s nothing.

But if we believe there’s an I there, this old belief that we’ve had from beginningless rebirths—even including today we still have this belief that there’s a real I there inside this body—with this belief when somebody tells us we’re so selfish or very bad, then we get angry, we get angry. Do you understand what I’m saying?

If we believe there’s a real I there, then with this belief, when somebody tells us we’re so bad, we’re stupid, we’re garbage, anger arises, and suddenly our heart experiences problems, we become disturbed, we feel disturbed, anger arises.

There are big differences in life because of the effect of holding this ignorance, believing there’s an I on these aggregates or inside this body or chest. Depending on what other people say, attachment arises. If somebody says, “I love you” attachment arises.

But then, with the discovery that there’s no I there, whatever the person says, whether it’s “I love you” or “You’re so bad” or “You’re so beautiful’,” it doesn’t affect us; it’s nothing, it’s nothing. So we don’t get into trouble, we don’t get defeated.

It’s the same with the reality. The I that exists is what is merely labeled by mind. With this discovery you think of the I, yes, but as being merely labeled by mind. Even with that discovery, with that thought, you think of I but it’s something which is merely labeled by mind, with that thought, while your mind’s in that state, if somebody says, “You’re stupid,” “You’re garbage” or something terrible, it’s nothing, it doesn’t have negative effect to us.

With our discovery of the I that exists, the I that is merely labeled by mind, even when we are thinking of the I, nothing other people say bothers us. It doesn’t cause attachment to arise; it doesn’t cause anger to arise. No matter how much they criticize us, it doesn’t affect us.

But when we don’t think that way, the minute we think there’s an I there on these aggregates, in this body, in this chest—not with the discovery of the merely-labeled I, the I that exists merely labeled by mind—then depending on what kind of form we see, we get angry or we have attachment; depending on what kind of sound we hear, the language, we get anger or we have attachment. Life changes, life totally changes depending our state of mind. Whether we are thinking about what’s true or false, we’re still believing in the false I as a real one.

What I was saying before is this. All global suffering, all the global and individual problems, from beginningless rebirths up to now, are due to not having discovered the truth, that the false I does not exist at all, that there is not even one atom there. [Problems come from believing] this false I to be real, having totally the wrong belief, not seeing the truth.

The truth is that this merely-labeled I is like it doesn’t exist. It’s like it doesn’t exist. For our mind, for the ignorance, it’s like it doesn’t exist. What exists we believe doesn’t exist; what doesn’t exist, we believe to be real. This is why the whole world is suffering; it’s come from that. Individual beings’ suffering comes from that, including the tiniest insect—ants or those beings we can only see through a microscope—including us human beings, all suffering comes from this ignorance.

Therefore, in this meditation course, in Kopan, here is a discovery, the most important discovery in life—to recognize what’s false and true, and then to remove the root of suffering. Then we achieve ultimate happiness, liberation from suffering, the cessation of the oceans of samsara’s suffering: the oceans of suffering of hell beings, hungry ghost, animals, human beings, suras, asuras, intermediate stage beings. We achieve the cessation of oceans of suffering of each realm, by ceasing the cause, karma and delusion.

We ourselves are able to achieve that and we are also able to guide others, to liberate others from the oceans of samsaric suffering and bring them to full enlightenment.

Due to all the past, present and future merits collected by me, the past, present and future merits collected by numberless sentient beings and buddhas, may we, all sentient beings, us here, and all the rest of the sentient beings, including my own family members, friends, enemies, everybody, in all the lifetimes never be separated from the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha, and always collect merit by making offerings to the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha and receive the blessings of the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha, the realizations from the root of the path, guru devotion, up to enlightenment, especially bodhicitta and clear light, from the highest tantra, to actualize within us, in the hearts of all sentient beings, including us, everybody here.

What I mentioned before, what we cannot find is the real I on this, not only the aggregates themselves, but even that real I, inherently-existent I, or I existing from its own side, or I existing by its nature—it’s all the same meaning. The real I can’t be found, what we’ve been believing in until now can’t be found—not only now, not only today, from birth, but from beginningless rebirths, it can’t found. We believe that this true I is real, that it really exists, but we can’t find it on these aggregates from the tip of the hair down to the toes. Nowhere we can find it. We can’t find it anywhere, not only on the aggregates but we can’t find anywhere, we can’t find under the ocean, we can’t find in the sky, there is nowhere we can find it.

So when you look for money, you look for money in your purse, and you can’t find anywhere, outside, inside, so then that means you don’t have money, money’s not there.

So same here, the I, this real I what you’ve been believing, what has been appearing to you, what you’ve been believing from beginningless rebirth, not there. So you’re totally, completely cheated by your ignorance, you’re totally deceived by your ignorance, the mind entrusting, believing this real I appearing from there really exists, so that totally cheated you, totally deceived you, deceived you from beginningless rebirth, and then from that all the delusion rises, motivated karma, and all the sufferings, all the oceans of hell suffering, oceans of hungry ghosts’ suffering, oceans of animal suffering, human beings’ suffering, oceans of sura beings’ suffering, oceans of asura beings’ sufferings, as well as intermediate state beings, so this, one has been suffering from beginningless rebirth, so time without beginning, one has been suffering in samsara like this.

I forgot what I was saying, I don’t remember what I said. What did I say? [Student reminds Rinpoche] [Rinpoche laughs] Before that? Anyway, I don’t know what I said.

WE CAN’T EVEN FIND THE I THAT EXISTS
We can’t even find the merely-labeled I. That is what exists, that is what exists, but even that, if we look for it, we can’t find it on this base, on these aggregates. The analysis is the same. The aggregate of form is not the merely-labeled I; the aggregate of feeling is not the merely-labeled I; the aggregate of cognition is not the merely-labeled I; the aggregate of compounding is not the merely-labeled I; the aggregate of consciousness is not the merely-labeled I. Even the collection of all these is not the merely-labeled I, so it’s the same. We can’t find the merely-labeled I from the tip of the hair down to the toes, nowhere. That’s the same.

When we search on the base, we can’t find it, so both are exactly the same. Not only the false I that we’ve been believing to be true from beginningless rebirths is unfindable on the aggregates, but even the I that does exist, the I merely labeled by the mind, even that is unfindable on the aggregates. Neither can be found, so it’s the same. When we look for either, we can’t find it, so it’s the same.

The difference is that the merely labeled I exists; it exists in the world, it exists in this southern continent, this human world, it exists in the East, in Nepal, it exists Kopan, it exists in this gompa, but we can’t find it on the base. If we look for it on this base, these aggregates, we can’t find it.

This merely-labeled I is sitting on this cushion but we can’t find it on these aggregates, we can’t find it from the tip of the hair down to the toes, neither in our nose nor in our ears, inside anywhere, in our heart—there is nowhere we can find it, this I that exists. Do you understand?

We need to not only analyze, but also by doing strong prayers to the guru and the lineage lamas of the path, to receive the guru’s blessings in our heart, by entering in our heart through the intensive, continual intensive practice of purification, purifying the mind. Purification is not mentioned by scientists. Purifying the mind, the method to make the mind fully awakened, is not mentioned by the scientists. In all of scientific discovery purification is not mentioned.

Defilements are not mentioned, so purification is not mentioned. The development of the mind, those inner qualities, and how to do that, to achieve realizations, they cannot mention that. Collecting merits is not mentioned by the scientists. Maybe they mention collecting the cause of external success, but not for realizations, not creating cause by the mind, and so collecting merit is not mentioned. None of these means to develop the mind are mentioned: how to remove the cause of suffering, the three poisonous minds—ignorance, anger and attachment—these are not covered. They have not discovered these three are the root of suffering, where all problems arise from. Because this hasn’t been discovered, how can they mention how to remove these three poisonous minds? It doesn’t come into science, there’s no path, no method to remove the cause of suffering. It’s not mentioned.

So, of course, there’s no way scientists can talk about ultimate happiness, everlasting happiness, liberation, besides no mention of the fully awakened mind, the complete qualities of cessation, all those gross and subtle defilements and the complete qualities of realizations—none of this is mentioned.

What I’m saying is that by receiving the blessing of the guru, entered in our own heart, through continual, intensive purification practice, we purify defilements and continuously collect extensive merit, the necessary conditions to meditate on the path. Then realizations come and our inner experience gets developed.

Then, we become a real scientist, a real inner scientist, a meditator inner scientist. On a deeper and deeper level we learn about mind and phenomena. Even before we remove the subtle defilements, when we remove the gross defilements, the disturbing-thought obscurations, we have unbelievable qualities, an unbelievable, extensive knowledge of the mind. Then, when even the subtle defilements have ceased, our mind becomes a fully-awakened mind. Only then have we completed all the knowledge of the mind, every single thing about it, both external phenomena and inner phenomena, the mind, everything, every single thing, and we have a direct understanding, a full understanding.

OUR ILLUSIONED MIND CAUSES US TO SUFFER
I’ve remembered something the Fifth Dalai Lama mentioned.

The defective view is thick darkness, the ignorance, blocking us from seeing things as they are. Unless we try to remove that ignorance, we won’t even be able to see conventional things correctly, due to this hallucination.

Besides our mind being illusioned, being deluded, because our mind is obscured from seeing the truth, we don’t discover the truth and then we continuously suffer, as I mentioned already. Then we constantly suffer, we constantly suffer. Nobody creates our suffering; there’s nobody outside that creates our suffering, only ourselves. Only by following the ignorance, our ignorance creates our suffering.

This “defective view” includes the merely-imputed I. The second after this merely-imputed I appears to the mind, it appears back to our mind not as merely imputed. Even though a second before our mind has merely imputed this I, we’re not aware of this, we haven’t realized this. So what appears back to us a second after this is not according to reality. The I that is merely imputed by the mind appears back to us as not merely imputed, it appears back as a real I.

The I appears totally false, totally false; it appears back to us totally falsely in that next second. This happens because as soon as our mind apprehends the I, it sees it as real because of our previous ignorance. Previous moments of ignorance have left negative imprints on the mind and the next second after our mind merely imputes the I, it decorates this with a [sense of] true existence; it sees it as the real one, the truly-existent one, existing from its own side. This hallucination decorates the merely-labeled I that happened just a second before. This hallucination comes from our mind; it comes from your ignorance. We then let our mind hold on to it as true, as a hundred percent true, as a reality. We see this false I as a reality, as an I that truly exists.

That is, of course, the function of ignorance. We create our ignorance and that’s the function of the ignorance, holding that as real, as truly existence. We decorate the base of body and mind on which we label “I”—this merely-imputed I—with the appearance of a real one. It’s a hallucination, but we believe it’s true. It’s something we place over the aggregates, over the association of body and mind.

The example is a terrifying snake. There is a rope of mixed black and white color, coiled up on a road, but [when we see it in the dark] it has the appearance of a terrifying snake. So, just as the mixture of black and white and being coiled gives the false appearance of a real snake due to ignorance, the association of body and mind gives the false appearance of a real I. When we label the rope “snake” we are terrified. We see the mixture of colors and the way it’s coiled and we don’t understand it is just a rope. The mind labels it “snake” and that which was merely imputed one second, because of the negative imprint on the mind due to previous ignorance, is then seen as a real, not merely-imputed snake. We have decorated this real snake on top of the coiled rope and because of that we are terrified.

This proves how it is. On the base, the aggregates, ignorance labels and then believes the real I. After labeling, after it appears as a real I, the ignorance exaggerates it, conceiving it to be truly existing, and from this truly-existing, real I, we experience the three types of suffering, such as the suffering on pain, which, related to human beings, means the suffering of rebirth, of old age, sicknesses and death.

SATISFACTION ONLY COMES FROM SEEING BEYOND THIS LIFE
And then we are unable to find a desirable object; we have worries and fears because we are unable to find a desirable object; that’s suffering of pain. Even if we find one we can’t find satisfaction, like the famous Rolling Stones said. I’m not sure whether he’s dead or he’s still alive? [Student: Alive.] I thought he was dead. Somebody told me that. Still alive. We can learn from him. [Rinpoche laughs] We can learn from him how these samsaric enjoyments, these samsaric pleasures, don’t give us satisfaction. No matter how much we attain samsaric pleasure, it never gives us satisfaction. He put it in music. He played to the world by using his big guitar, “I can’t get satisfaction.” [Rinpoche laughs]

That’s the big suffering, we don’t get satisfaction. That’s the huge suffering. Because of that, we can never be happy, and the more we have the more we want, whether we are a millionaire, a billionaire, a zillionaire or a trillionaire. I haven’t actually heard of trillionaires yet, but normally you hear about lots of billionaires.

The more we have things, the more we find in the world, the more money we have—millionaire, billionaire, more and more money—the greater the dissatisfaction is greater. The dissatisfaction, the unhappiness, the depression is greater.

The dissatisfaction, the depression, much more heavier than beggar in the street who lives every day begging food and lives on that, and sleeps in the road, much heavier depression, much heavier unhappiness, much heavier dissatisfaction.

That’s similar to the devas, the suras and asuras, how their suffering with the signs of death is a greater mental suffering than a hell being’s suffering. Kyabje Chöden Rinpoche said that’s because they know where they are now, they remember past lives’ bad karma and they can see their future lives, taking a rebirth such as a human beings or even in the lower realms even in hell.

You can see the way they are now is they have hundreds, thousands, millions of times more sense pleasure than in the most developed human world so when they see they have to be born in the human realm, and not even the lower realms, they can’t stand it.

So the Rolling Stones singer became known to the world, he became known to the whole world, young and old, and he had friends, everything, but with his experience of samsaric pleasure, he never got satisfaction, he didn’t achieve satisfaction. He put that into words. He was somebody who had everything, he had achieved the greatest reputation in the world, everything, so that’s a great teaching he expressed, a great lam-rim teaching for us.

We’ve tried everything what you can get in this world, everything, but we still couldn’t get satisfaction. Then the depression is much heavier, deeper. The dissatisfied mind is so much greater than the beggar who just lives life simply, every day begging for food and sleeping in the street, who doesn’t have that much. For us, life is full of worries, full of expectations, not happiness. We worry we will lose our wealth, we are full of worries about losing our wealth, and then we always want to be higher than others, we want always to be richer than others. We’re always looking for that, always going for that. And when it doesn’t happen, we worry, and we’re afraid of losing what we have. Then there is so much mental suffering.

Of course, a person who has no attachment to this life can be happy. Even if there’s no bodhicitta, even if there’s no renunciation of samsara, but at least we think all the future lives, that the happiness of all our future lives is more important than this life’s happiness. We think that this life is very short, so our main interest is the happiness in all the future lives, which are much, much longer, whereas this life is something very short, so there’s no particular, special interest in it; we don’t put effort in that. Unless we do that, we give up all the happiness of future lives, we become careless, you don’t put effort into the happiness of future lives but only this very short time life, and we waste our most precious human body, with which we can achieve any happiness—not only the happiness of this life, but the happiness of all the future lives and liberation from samsara, and even enlightenment. We can achieve whatever we want in every second, in every second you can create the cause.

If we don’t use this precious human body just for this very, very short life, then we get satisfaction, we get satisfaction. Our material possessions don’t harm us, they don’t harm others. We let others have them, we give them to others, so there’s no problem, we get satisfaction. Especially if we have a good heart, so there’s no question if we have bodhicitta, the actual realization but especially if we have a good heart and cherish others, a good heart seeking happiness for others, obtaining happiness to others, if we have compassion, loving kindness for others.

If we have a good heart, then no matter how wealthy we are, we benefit, we help so many human beings, even animals; we help so many other sentient beings whatever wealth and resources you have. We help so many people in this world, the homeless or sick or who needs help, for religious reasons, anybody who needs help, even animals.

Then whatever we do or have becomes so meaningful. Every tiny bit of money we have, any amount of wealth, any good reputation or any degree of fame, even if we have a big name, whatever we have becomes beneficial for others. With a good heart, compassion, loving kindness, we’re able to benefit the world, we benefit so many sentient beings. Our name—even if it is well-known in the world—our wealth and education, is all for the happiness of other sentient beings.

Not only do we get satisfaction, but we get fulfillment in our heart, fulfillment. Our life is filled with unbelievable joy, our life is filled with unbelievable joy, with happiness, inner happiness, and we fill the world with happiness. We fill so many people’s hearts with happiness, we cause that to happen.

If we don’t have a good heart, if we don’t practice Dharma, if we don’t do meditation, if we don’t practice a good heart, then we have all these problems and life becomes totally all this suffering. All the wealth we have becomes only the cause of suffering, becomes only cause of unbelievable suffering, the cause of worry and all those problems. It is no benefit to us and no benefit to other sentient beings.

THE THREE TYPES OF SUFFERING COME FROM HOLDING THE I AS TRULY EXISTENT
So anyway, what I’m saying… What did I say? I’m talking about the worry and fear of being separated from desirable objects, of meeting the undesirable object, all the worry and fear and all that. All these are the suffering of pain, but all three types of suffering arise from this ignorance, holding the I as truly-existent. The three types of suffering arise from that.

The devas experience the five major sufferings of the signs of death, and the five major sufferings of the nearing signs of death.

Then the sufferings of the hell beings, all those heaviest suffering of the hot and cold and so forth, and then hungry ghosts, with the heaviest suffering of the hunger and thirst and so forth. And animals, whose heaviest suffering is ignorance and being eaten by others and all the unbelievable torture and so forth for the blood, the skin, the meat. Because of that, they’re killed, tortured, and so must experience the suffering of pain.

Besides the suffering of pain, there’s samsaric pleasure. It appeared as pleasure to our mind. After our mind has labeled it pleasure, it appeared as pleasure but in reality it is only suffering. It is suffering but it appears as pleasure. That’s why pleasure does not last. It can neither last nor increase because samsaric pleasure is only in the nature of suffering. That’s why it does not continue, it does not increase.

For example, I’ll try to finish this part… We are hungry, compounded by the action of not eating food. Then, the moment after we eat the first spoon of food, the discomfort has already started, the discomfort compounded by the action of eating has already started, but it’s unnoticeable. It’s so small it’s unnoticeable.

If we continue the action, if we keep on eating, gradually this discomfort becomes noticeable, and then more and more noticeable. It started from small, after the first spoon of food, and by continuing with the action of eating, the discomfort becomes more noticeable and then becomes the suffering of pain. So what is labeled “pleasure” and appears as real pleasure—the way it appears to our hallucinated mind—in reality is only suffering. It is another suffering which has stopped the greater suffering of not eating. The suffering of not eating is stopped when another suffering, the action of eating, begins. Because that initially small suffering of eating has stopped a greater suffering of hunger, we label this feeling “pleasure.” We label it “pleasure” but the next moment we are completely unaware we have labeled it, that it has been merely imputed by the mind by, compound. We are totally ignorant of that.

Then, the merely-imputed pleasure appeared as a real one, not merely labeled by mind. This is the appearance the very next second, and we let our mind hold on to that, seeing this as real happiness. Our ignorance exaggerates and then from that attachment arises, thinking how wonderful this is, exaggerating the quality of the food. Then attachment has its own projection, its own view, its own wrong view. This ignorance has its own projection, its own wrong view, that real happiness exists from its own side, which is completely not true, totally non-existent, totally non-existent right there, totally non-existent, total empty, non-existent. That’s the projection of ignorance, the view of ignorance, then on top of that there’s attachment. When attachment arises, it has its own view, projecting something beautiful onto the object or like that.

Then we create karma and delusion. We create karma, and that makes us reincarnate again in samsara, in the lower realms, continuously, on and on, to die and be reborn and experience the sufferings of samsara. This is how it has been from beginningless rebirths up to now.

This is an example. The whole entire samsaric pleasure is like this. In reality, it’s only suffering. Our mind labeled it and then believes it’s true happiness, but it’s not. It’s only suffering.

Then pervasive compounding suffering. Pervasive compounding suffering means these aggregates are under the control of karma and delusion. Because it is caused by that, this is the nature of suffering. It's pervaded by suffering and because of that it's contaminated, the second explanation. This is how the aggregates are the nature of suffering, pervaded by suffering. Pervasive compounding suffering refers to the contaminated seed of delusion, the imprint, the seed which has been left as an imprint. This imprint is the seed of delusion, and from that the suffering of the body and mind happens. That seed compounds the suffering of the body and mind of this life.

That imprint, that seed of delusion, also compounds the causes the future rebirth, so it compounds future suffering as well. That is how these aggregates are pervaded by suffering Not only this life’s suffering, it also compounds future lives’ suffering. So, this third suffering is the foundation of the two other sufferings, suffering of pain and suffering of change. It’s caused by the ignorance. That was what I was saying.

It’s a very deep fear, nang-dak in Tibetan, something deep fear, like the example of the great fear of the three types of suffering we experience when we see the coiled rope with the mixture of color, white and black, and not seeing it is a rope we label it “snake.” First, our mind mistakenly labels the rope “snake” and then the next moment it appeared to us as a real snake. We let our mind hold on to it as a real snake. Then the fear arises, the three sufferings arise from this ignorance, this holding the I as truly existent, being labeling on the body and mind, the aggregates. The I appears truly existent and we hold onto that, and then the three types of sufferings arise as a result.

This is similar to the other example when we label the rope “snake.” Of course, we’re totally ignorant; we haven’t discovered that it has been labeled by our mind. The second after it appears as a real snake, which is totally false, we believe in that, we let your mind hold onto that, and then fear arises; then we have the fear, “Oh, there’s real snake!” Like that, we circle in samsara.

To understand how all this is totally false, to realize it, this example is given, the coiled rope that is a mixture of white and black that we label “snake.” And then it appears as a real snake—it’s a hallucination but we believe it’s real—and then fear arises. All these are totally a hallucination, totally a hallucination, totally meaningless. So, it’s exactly the same, exactly the same with the ignorance holding the I as truly existent, exactly the same—there’s no such I there.

By believing there’s a real snake, whereas it’s not real at all, then fear comes. While this I is not truly existent, by believing it is, then from that the three types of sufferings arise. This is just giving an example.

So, I should stop here.

WE MUST MEDITATE ON THE EMPTINESS OF THINGS IN OUR DAILY LIFE
The point is that we must realize emptiness. We must study, listen to the teachings, reflect and do meditation practice as I mentioned before. By continually requesting the guru with the devotional mind to meet the Buddha, we then receive the blessings of the guru in the heart. With the continuation of this and then the intensive continual practice of purification, purifying defilements, and intensive continual practice of collecting merits, these conditions and meditating on the path, we meditate on emptiness. By realizing emptiness, we later achieve great insight. We are able to experience, to derive the rapturous ecstasy, this bliss of the body and the mind, by meditating on emptiness unified with shamatha, calm abiding.

From there, by developing that, by achieving the wisdom directly perceiving emptiness, we achieve the arya path. Then with that, we directly cease the cause of suffering, ignorance, the defilements, by actualizing the path, the right-seeing path and with the path of meditation we directly cease the disturbing thought obscuration.

Then we’re able to achieve the sorrowless state, the ultimate nature of mind, totally cease the disturbing thought obscuration, including the seed of delusion, the seed which is in nature of imprint. We achieve liberation, nirvana.

Or we enter the Mahayana path from the beginning, and then when we have achieved the wisdom directly perceiving emptiness, we’re able to remove the disturbing thought obscurations and also subtle obscurations, the Mahayana path, by actualizing the Mahayana right seeing path and the Mahayana path of meditation. We are able to cease both obscurations and then be able to achieve full enlightenment like that for all sentient beings.

We’re able to guide, to liberate numberless sentient beings from the oceans of samsaric suffering and we’re able to bring them to full enlightenment. We’re able to help sentient beings have the wisdom directly perceiving emptiness, to actualize the true path within their hearts, and cease the defilements. We’re able to help them, to liberate them and bring them to enlightenment.

Therefore in our daily life, by practicing mindfulness in emptiness, as I mentioned before, as I gave the example, when our mind is totally aware there’s no I on these aggregates, totally aware of that, then whether somebody praises us or puts us down, it doesn’t affect us, it doesn’t bring our life up or down. There’s continual peace, there’s a continual inner peace, happiness, tranquility. We don’t suffer due to these external conditions, so we don’t create negative karma by delusion arising and we don’t create the cause of suffering.

Also I mentioned practicing mindfulness, even if we’re thinking of the I, but see that the I is merely imputed by mind, when we’ve discovered that, or when our mind is in the mindful meditation of that, then receiving material or not receiving material, receiving presents or not receiving presents, like a birthday present, or receiving praise or receiving criticism or a bad reputation—none of these things bother us; they don’t make us suffer, and then we can overcome that. We don’t create negative karma, we don’t get angry, we don’t get attached to things, and so we don’t create the cause of samsara.

Whatever activity we are doing in the daily life, then practicing mindfulness [of] merely labeled I, merely labeled action, merely labeled object, so practicing mindfulness in this, how everything is merely labeled by mind. So whatever activity you are doing, so practicing mindfulness in this, so then during that time the delusion does not arise, the anger, attachment, ignorance during that time. Then that brings you to liberation, the antidote to samsara, it becomes antidote to samsara, whatever you’re doing becomes antidote to samsara and it becomes antidote, it eliminates the ignorance, the root of suffering, eliminates, so like that, recognizing the hallucination is hallucination, this real I which is not there, this hallucination, which is not there.

Like this truly existent I that is not there, that is a hallucination, that is false, whatever action we’re doing, this real action, this truly existent action, is false. For example, if we’re walking, walking as a truly existent action, real walking, that is totally false. The real I, real walking is totally false. The real I looking at it is false, real walking, the real action of walking, is a hallucination or it’s false—it’s the same.

And then the road we’re walking on, the real road is not there. If we look, if we search where the real road is, we can’t find it. It’s exactly the same. Like the I that we can’t find on these aggregates, we can’t find the real road if we look for it. When we don’t examine it, it looks like there’s a real road there, but if we examine it, it’s not there. So, the real road, we look at it as false, as a hallucination. We look at the hallucination as a hallucination. So, whatever activity we are doing, we look at it as a hallucination; we look at it like a dream.

A dream is a very good example. A dream is an excellent example. The I, a dream; the action, a dream; then the object, dream. We look at everything like a dream, as a continuation of last night’s dream. The dream is very effective, a very good meditation, looking at everything like a dream.

In a dream, whatever we’re dreaming, while we’re walking, we’re sitting, we’re eating food—whatever we’re doing—it’s all labeled by our mind. It’s all labeled by our mind but it’s not there, it doesn’t exist at all. We dream of winning a billion dollars in a lottery. We go there and we get a billion dollar, we put it in our bag, and the bag becomes very heavy. But we wake up and it’s not there. It’s like that. All this—the real I, the real action, the real road, the real eating, the real food—everything is false. We can look at it like a dream.

That’s another way, seeing everything as like a dream. Whatever we’re doing—I, action, object—what appears not merely labeled by the mind or existing from its own side, we look at it all as a dream. Keeping the mindfulness like this always as much as possible is very powerful, very effective. That’s a very good meditation; it’s very powerful. I’m not going to quote other quotations.

Another meditation technique on emptiness is seeing our ignorance as a magician person. The magician uses mantra or whatever, some substances, to hallucinate audience’s senses. Then the ignorance leaves a negative imprint on the mind.

Onto everything that are merely labeled by our mind—the I, the action, the object, hell, enlightenment, samsara, nirvana—onto everything that is merely labeled by the mind, like the magician person this ignorance projects the hallucination of true existence. It projects the hallucination of true existence on the merely-labeled I, the merely-labeled action, the merely-labeled object, the merely-labeled hell, the merely-labeled enlightenment, the merely-labeled samsara, the merely-labeled nirvana, the merely-labeled happiness, the merely-labeled problem. This ignorance illusions us; this ignorance illusions us completely in our life. It decorates this hallucination of true existence on every merely-labeled thing—the merely-labeled I, the merely-labeled action, the merely-labeled object. It totally illusions us; it completely illusions us.

This ignorance is like the magician person and we are like the audience. The magician illusions the audience so their senses to see all things totally wrongly. Nothing is true. Ignorance totally illusions us like the magician, totally illusions our whole life. So that’s another practice of mindfulness in the busy life. That’s how to meditate on emptiness in our daily life, our busy life. Part of our mind should always be in this meditation, whether we’re talking, whether we’re driving a car, whether we’re shopping.

The heart of Buddhism is the three principal aspects of the path to enlightenment, and emptiness, the right view, is a very important practice.

COMING HERE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN YOUR LIVES
I think I’ll stop here. I started to explain the Lama tonpa chom den de but, sorry, I started but I fell down. Anyway, I started that ,but then [Rinpoche laughs] again, I got stuck in emptiness. So tomorrow maybe I’ll say something.

It’s good to have some understanding of the Lama tonpa chom den de. What I recorded, Pabongka’s, first line from Calling the Guru From Afar explains what real guru means, guru, lama means—to get that final, ultimate meaning, the idea, to get the richness. Then the rest is easy to understand.

I want to say please understand everybody that your coming here is the most important thing in your life. What you’re doing is the most important thing in your life. You look and see how much the world is suffering, how much suffering, how much it’s been suffering, can you imagine? There’s so much suffering, so much suffering, due to all these wrong concepts, due to ignorance. The whole thing is due to ignorance, and then of course, after that, there’s the selfish mind. All these are due to the wrong concept. How many the global problems there are, how much individuals suffer—can you imagine?—it’s all becoming more and more difficult.

All these wars due to misusing religion, all these many sicknesses, these many new sicknesses happening, the economic problems with so many people, families, losing their jobs, there is so much suffering. The famines, the dangers of fire, water, air, earthquakes—all this is caused by delusion, by the wrong concept, by ignorance, not knowing Dharma, not practicing Dharma.

Therefore, your coming here, can imagine how this happened? Coming here to learn Dharma, to meditate on lam-rim, the heart of the 84,000 teachings of the Buddha. The basic teachings of the Buddha, the 84,000, are divided into three: the Hinayana teaching, the Mahayana Paramitayana teaching and the Secret Mantra Vajrayana teachings. That is embodied in the lam-rim, the graduated path to enlightenment, which comes in the graduated path of the lower capable being and the graduated path of the middle capable being and the graduated path of the higher capable being. All that comes into, is embodied in the three principal aspects of the path to enlightenment.

The basis of the common path, the basis for the foundation, the basis for tantra realizations, the three principal aspects of the path to enlightenment, this is what you learn and meditate on to achieve these realizations. With the renunciation, whatever you do becomes the cause to achieve liberation from samsara, and with the realization of bodhicitta whatever you do become the cause of enlightenment. With the right view, whatever you do becomes the antidote to samsara; it doesn’t become the cause of samsara. It is the antidote to the root of samsara, ignorance; it eradicates that, so it becomes the antidote to that.

So you’re learning and meditating, you’re trying to realize the most important thing in life, what to achieve, the most important thing for you, and most important thing for the numberless sentient beings: the hell beings, hungry ghosts, animal, humans—the most important thing to benefit them. What’s the most important thing to benefit for them, you’re doing that.

Trying to learn this, to meditate on this, to have this realization, this really is the best benefit, the best benefit, not only for you, but the best benefit for your family, the best benefit for your enemy, for your friend, the best benefit for all sentient beings. This is the best best benefit for all sentient beings. This is the best to bring peace to all the sentient beings, to bring not only temporary peace but ultimate peace, to bring them to enlightenment. Can you imagine?

So I think it’s really most amazing what you’re doing. That you come here is really the most amazing, the best thing in life. The best thing in the life. This is the best thing that helps when the death comes. The best thing to help at that time is this, the lam-rim, especially bodhicitta. Now, in the future, yourself and others, the best thing. I want to mention that.

So that’s it. Thank you very much. So dedication.

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