Advice for Monks and Nuns
Chapter Three: The Advantages of Monastic Life (Part II)
Lama Yeshe
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In 1982, Lama Yeshe organized the first Enlightened Experience Celebration,
a five-month series of teachings, initiations and retreats held in Bodhgaya
and Dharamsala, India. About 100 International Mahayana Institute monks and
nuns attended. During the Dharamsala part of the program, Lama Yeshe called
the monks and nuns into the gompa at Tushita Retreat Centre and, over two successive
evenings (April 17 & 18), gave the following talks.
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It is important that we consider how to present Dharma in the West. You can’t just say,
“Oh, this director invited me to come and give teachings. Okay, I’ll just go.” This
has happened many times, but I’m not sure that it’s a suitable situation. Therefore,
I wanted to say a little about education at Nalanda Monastery.
What is the purpose of Nalanda Monastery? It is a center for education, for Buddhist
studies. Ideally, this means that eventually all the Sangha will become teachers.
Come on! I want you to understand this. Now, being a teacher doesn’t mean only being
an intellectual words teacher. There are many different ways in which you can teach.
Generally, however, I expect everybody to be well educated. There is a great demand
for teachers in our centers; we are very short of teachers. Are you aware of this
or not? Everybody should know this. Then you will put more energy into trying to benefit
others instead of being lazy. The world’s need for Dharma teachers is so great.
The way this should work is that centers that need teachers should send their requests
to the monastery, and the abbot and gekö should decide who goes out to teach. That’s
a good idea; it prevents people from doing their own individual trips. Of course,
the center director can specify the qualifications or even the person required—“He
or she is best for us because of the way we communicate”—something like that. For
people to do their own trip is not so good. Also, this is not some kind of competition;
we are just trying to be as beneficial as possible.
I feel sometimes that Western teachers are more suitable for Western beginners.
They are oriented to the culture and may be more acceptable to new students: “This
is just what I need; I can use this.” We should encourage Westerners to do this kind
of thing. Of course, Tibetan lamas can still come to give advanced teachings, but
there are limitations to this as well. Therefore, we should hurry to educate ourselves
well so that we can be of maximum benefit to others.
In our Sangha community, many students are already experienced in giving lam-rim
courses. They have been teaching, and I’m very happy about that. They are growing.
Some Sangha members have intuitively understood that they should teach; I didn’t have
to push them. But others don’t understand that they should teach and they worry about
it: “Lama said everybody has to teach. How could I possibly become a teacher?” Don’t
worry. Whatever your ability, just do as much as you can with your life. To my way
of thinking, that’s good enough. You don’t necessarily have to push yourself to accumulate
intellectual knowledge. We have room for people to serve the Buddhadharma in many
different ways.
In the future, if we organize the monastery situation well, benefiting others through
your education will also provide your bread and butter. Do not feel that just because
you cannot take care of yourself at the moment, life as a Tibetan Buddhist monk or
nun means that you’ll always be in economic trouble. That kind of mind arises sometimes;
it’s not so good. It’s quite right to think about the situation, but many people in
the world need teachers, and if you are well educated, they will support you. If a
center applies for a Sangha member to come and teach, the center should take care
of that person’s airfare, food, clothing, and stipend. Sangha should have a kind of
big view. If you educate yourself well and serve others, others will take care of
you; it’s natural. You offer something, you are of benefit to others, others will
benefit you. That’s the cyclic nature of samsara.
You people have to figure out for yourselves a constructive approach to all this.
I am concerned for your welfare, but since I’m too ignorant to take care of even myself,
how could I possibly know what’s best for your futures?
Of course, we can quote Shakyamuni Buddha, where in one sutra he guaranteed that
even if the amount of arable land on earth had been reduced to the size of a fingernail,
as long as his Sangha practiced purely, they would never go hungry. Is that true or
not? Come on! It can’t be true! Well, I don’t know if Lord Buddha was correct there
or not. I have some doubt as to whether those words were true or not, because in my
observation, many Sangha who have been practicing and studying sincerely have encountered
trouble in getting the means of living, such as food, clothing, and benefactors. Are
there some who have experienced this kind of trouble? Well, in Western culture there’s
no custom of benefacting monks and nuns; it’s difficult. These days, even in Tibetan
culture it’s difficult. It used to be that Tibetan monks and nuns had it pretty easy
like that, but not any longer.
I don’t think we should go bananas worrying over whether or not someone will take
care of us. These days all my Sangha are intelligent, they know what’s going on in
the world, they are educated to a certain extent…at least to primary school level!
So who worries? You people are capable of taking care of yourselves. We don’t need
two or three of everything, but what we do need is to take care of our bodies and
not get sick. You should take care of your body. You don’t need to try to lead an
ascetic life, thinking you’re a great meditator, thereby damaging your nervous system.
On the one hand, you talk about your precious human rebirth, on the other, you destroy
your body. That’s stupid.
I am the servant of others
Monks and nuns should be practical in taking care of themselves, socially acceptable,
and work for the benefit of the majority. If the Sangha cannot work for the benefit
of others, then what’s it all about? Honestly, you have to have the motivation, “I
am the servant of others.” Perhaps, instead of om mani padme hum, that should
be our mantra. We should repeat over and over, “I am the servant of others, I am the
servant of others.” I think I’m going to make this the monks’ and nuns’ mantra, make
them repeat it a million times; make them do the retreat of this mantra, “I am the
servant of others.”
Sometimes monks and nuns have wrong conceptions. They consider that to be holy you
have to live alone, leading an ascetic life. That’s not necessarily so; we don’t need
to do that. Some people have this fantasy that by becoming a Tibetan monk or nun they
have become some kind of great yogi. What makes a great yogi is dedication to others.
Without dedication to others, there’s no way for you to become a great yogi or yogini.
It’s impossible.
Maybe you think that serving others is impractical, that it doesn’t work. It works,
it works. There is less pain in your mind. If somebody asks you for a cup of tea,
for some help, instead of pain, anger, and irritation, you feel bliss. If you get
angry when someone asks for your help, it shows you have no dedication.
You should be practical. Sometimes lay people criticize monks and nuns because they
think they’re hopeless—they come home, eat and drink, but don’t do anything to help.
They don’t even wash their own dishes; they leave them for others. They space out,
say a few words about Dharma, blah, blah. Lay people don’t understand. That is Western
culture. I tell you, there is a big difference between the way Westerners look at
Dharma and the way Eastern people do. Your parents don’t accept what you’re doing
because they think you’re hopeless, stupid, not taking care of your life. That’s what
they worry about. Your parents love you. They want you to be practical, to take care
of yourself. Have you heard lay people criticize the Sangha? I have. They’re right,
up to a point. Don’t think that we’re always right and lay people are always wrong.
Buddhadharma is practical, organic; it is something we can put into effect, here
and now. Sometimes people have the misconception, “Ah, enlightenment is my goal,”
looking up into the sky with their hands folded at their hearts. “Up there is my husband,
that is my Buddha, that is my Dharma, that is my Sangha. I don’t care about anything
down here.” I call that fanaticism; their feet aren’t on the ground. Be practical,
okay? Fanaticism is ego, so arrogant, unreasonable, intangible; such people are simply
dreaming. Perhaps it’s because in Tibetan Buddhism we say, For the sake of all
mother sentient beings I should quickly become Buddha, therefore I’m going to practice…some
sadhana or other. Maybe this sadhana way of thinking is a Western misunderstanding.
I don’t know. Perhaps Mahayana Buddhism produces spaced out sentient beings instead
of constructive organic flowers…or perhaps I’m being too extreme?
We should be aware of what lay people think. But I do understand that it can sometimes
be a little paralyzing for a monk or nun to live in a community where the majority
are lay people. You are the only one; you feel insignificant. You try to fulfill your
Sangha obligations, but you are nobody. You try to compromise with the lay community,
but that doesn’t work either. I do understand. I don’t want my Sangha to be put into
that kind of situation, but environmental and economic realities sometimes force you
into it. With Nalanda, we finally have an opportunity to live away from such situations,
so now, at least, you won’t be able to blame the conditions for your difficulties.
A monastic environment is extremely important.
Sometimes I get the impression that some of my Sangha think they won’t be able to
keep their vows if they get a job; that if they work, they will become disasters as
monks or nuns. That is a completely wrong attitude; it shows they are suffocated by
ignorance. Not only are we human beings, but Lord Buddha has also given us method
and wisdom. We should somehow be able to figure out how to put work and keeping our
ordination together so that we avoid that suffocating alternative. Many students have
given me this impression. I don’t know if it’s a true picture or not.
Monasteries exist in the West. How do they do it? Those monks and nuns are human;
they eat, they sleep, they work. That is a true picture. So why don’t we follow their
example? Perhaps those Christian monks and nuns who work and still manage to keep
their ordinations are more capable than we Buddhists. We should be ashamed of ourselves!
Why don’t you all become Catholic monks and nuns? Then you’d have no problems. I’m
joking!
Anyway, what I am saying is that I want you to use your wisdom. I cannot tell you
what to do. I do trust you to use your method and wisdom to come up with some way
of establishing a Western monastery where we can both take care of ourselves materially
and do our duty according to the vinaya. Can you motivate yourselves to accomplish
this? I want you to generate a strong motivation, otherwise, we won’t make it. There
are too many obstacles, too many hurdles. I expect mistakes to be made. Even in bringing
Dharma to Tibet, many bodhisattvas were killed protecting their ordination. Do you
know the history of Buddhism coming to Tibet? They were actually killed because they
would not break their vows.
If you compare your situation to that when Dharma came to Tibet, you will see how
lucky you are. You have much better facilities and education and far easier lives
than they did back then. You people are incredibly lucky. But I still want each one
of you to be very strongly motivated at a personal level: “I myself (not we, but I)
am responsible for bringing Dharma to the West. I’ve understood that Lord Buddha’s
wisdom is so powerful, it has brought me great satisfaction, and the world needs this
more than anything else.”
That doesn’t mean that you change completely overnight and tomorrow walk around
like some crazy evangelist. Just be relaxed, but at the same time dedicated. Then
you’ll be happy, no matter what sort of difficult situation you find yourself in—happy
because you’re serving others. If you do not have dedication, every situation is painful
for you because the fundamental human problem is the self-cherishing thought, not
wanting to share anything with others, which is the very opposite of dedication. The
dedicated attitude makes everybody brothers and sisters. Without it, others become
thorns in your flesh; they hurt you, they hassle you, especially if you are living
together with many other people. You feel others are a hassle, the place is so crowded,
it’s like a concentration camp, Lama Yeshe is like a dictator, he comes around in
the mornings, saying do this and do that…. I am sure some of you might have had thoughts
like this.
If you have a dedicated attitude, even should people accuse you of something or
give you a hard time, it actually helps; it truly helps you. Personally, I really
believe that we humans need to go through some hardships in order to develop understanding.
If you’re always going around spaced out and everything’s too easy, you’ll never learn.
I learned only because Mao Tse Tung put me into such a learning situation. Otherwise,
I was pretty easy-going. As long as my parents were giving me everything, my uncle
was giving me everything, I never learned a thing. Later, I checked back to see if
I’d learned any Dharma at that time. I hadn’t; I was just full of intellectual word
games. Mao made me face real life. That time I learned a lot.
Gratitude for Sangha
That’s why I want you to be dedicated, but at the same time, happy. I don’t understand
why you’re not happy. Being with each other, Sangha together, is such a warm, close
feeling. I’m not a highly educated man, I’m not a highly realized person, but I feel
so grateful just for the existence of other Sangha. We give each other strength. You
have to understand, just by existing, you’re helping each other.
It seems that some of you don’t understand this. In other words, perhaps you don’t
understand the value of Buddhadharma. Those who don’t feel that the Sangha community
is so wonderful and that its members help each other don’t understand Buddhadharma;
they don’t understand what is Dharma and what is not Dharma. Especially at times like
this, when many monks and nuns have gathered together, you should recognize and respect
them as actual Sangha. Perhaps you can’t respect each individual, “He is Sangha; she
is Sangha,” and take refuge, but according to the vinaya you absolutely must respect
the Sangha community as the Sangha object of refuge. When you received vinaya teachings
from Tara Tulku in Bodhgaya recently, I’m sure he told you that four monks or nuns
together are Sangha, didn’t he? Well, don’t just leave it at that. Inside your heart
you should have the recognition “That is the Sangha.” Then you will feel respect.
I feel that you are very fortunate just to have met other people who are at least
trying to live in the 36 precepts of novice ordination. It’s unbelievable. In the
world today, it’s so rare. Do you think those brothers and sisters trying to keep
the 36 vows are rare or not? Yes; they’re rare. And if you understand the spiritual
significance of this, you’ll understand how valuable they are. I want you to understand:
you are my brothers, you are my sisters, you are my husband, you are my wife, you
are my dollars, you are my precious possessions, you are my everything! Everybody
understands the value of those things, don’t they? Well, each one of you is more valuable
than all of those, more rare and precious than a million dollars. I feel I am so rich!
It’s true; I’m not joking. I really believe this. You people should feel extremely
fortunate just being in this kind of situation.
Look around—where on earth can you find such a situation? These days the world is
becoming incredibly impure, full of garbage thoughts, superstition, and mutual hatred,
so at least you people should try to feel compassion and loving kindness for one another
instead of seeing each other as heavy burdens. You are the most fortunate people in
the world.
Look at your present situation. In the morning you go to puja and they serve you
tea there. As soon as that’s over, your breakfast is ready. Then you go to teachings.
After that, more tea is waiting. All you have to do is practice and take care of your
mind; everything is there. Incredibly fortunate. Unbelievably fortunate. So, take
advantage.
If you have a negative attitude toward a group of Sangha, that’s the worst bad karma
you can create, I tell you. According to what I was taught, if you think, “I hate
those international Sangha,” you are creating very heavy karma. From the Buddhist
point of view, criticizing the Sangha is the most negative thing you can do. How do
you know, among a group of Sangha, who is not a bodhisattva, who is not an arhat?
I can’t tell. Complaining, “These Western Sangha, they’re no good, they’re this, they’re
that…” is one of the worst things in the world you can do. You can point at individuals
and say, “Lama Yeshe’s no good,” but when a group of seventy or eighty monks and nuns
come together, how can you say they’re no good? That’s the heaviest karma you can
create.
Honestly, I tell you, how many people in the whole world are keeping these 36 vows?
How many are even trying? It is very, very rare. Normally we say that monasteries
are so good. Monasteries are empty buildings. “Monasteries are good; monastery life
is good.” An empty building is not a monastery. A monastery is good because a group
of people is putting incredible positive energy into living in organic purity. Without
people, it’s just concrete and wood. That’s not a monastery. Monasteries produce so
many learned scholars, so many saints, because the people who live there help each
other. Wood doesn’t produce scholars; water doesn’t produce saints.
Therefore, we’re establishing Nalanda Monastery to produce many saints and scholars.
That’s why I called it Nalanda. We can be just like the ancient Indian monastery,
Nalanda, which produced such great Indian pandits as Atisha, Naropa, and Shantideva.
I really feel that our own monastery can produce such saints and pandits. I think
so. I don’t worry that the intellectual clarity of Buddhadharma can’t reach the Western
world. Westerners can comprehend anything that Tibetans can.
Monastic robes
Let me say a few words about robes. For the past few years I’ve had the experience
of traveling around the world, living with my Sangha and with students in the Dharma
center communities. I feel great compassion for my monks and nuns. Why? I’ll tell
you the reason. My monks and nuns try to be good human beings and keep their precepts
responsibly, but when they go outside the center, people spit at them: “Oh, look at
that poor man, that poor woman.” I’ve seen it with my own eyes; it’s incredible. I
feel so sad. There’s nothing wrong with those Sangha; the people who spit, they’re
the poor ones. Why should I put my students into that kind of situation, where in
their own society they are viewed as disasters rather than with respect, where people
regard them as garbage. Recognizing their profound human quality, people get ordained,
but when they wear their robes, they get put down. I’m not sure it’s worth it.
You see, my understanding is that the Dharma we are bringing into the Western world
should be Western Dharma, Inji Dharma, not Tibetan Dharma. Historically, Dharma never
went from one culture to another without changing its external form. Internally, of
course, the Dharma never changes; the essence of the Buddhadharma remains pure. But
you can’t make Germans or Americans eat tsampa; their stomachs aren’t made for it.
They don’t need these external things. From Western society’s point of view, people
wearing robes are considered bad human beings, an insult to the rest of society.
We should be practical. I am not against your wearing robes. I wear them myself.
I’d be sick if I had a negative attitude to what I wear every day. Well, I’m not
sick; I’m happy with my robes. But what I’m saying is that when you are in your own
country, working with and relating to people in regular society, I think it’s stubborn
to insist on wearing robes when people are putting you down and calling you a bad
human being. Then they criticize Buddhism: “Buddhism produces bad human beings.” That’s
what they’re going to say, isn’t it? They’ll say, “Buddhism creates hippies,” because
they think monks and nuns are not responsible citizens, are socially unacceptable.
Then Lord Buddha gets a bad reputation; do you want to give Lord Buddha a bad reputation?
We’re serious people; we’re not joking. You people are not practicing Dharma for
Lama Yeshe; that’s not the case. The Dharma you are bringing to the West is much bigger
than just one person. You have to understand this. Psychologically, of course, each
human being likes his or her own thing. For example, I’m a Tibetan monk; I think the
Tibetan way is the best in the world; I want you to become Tibetan style. Then, when
you act and look Tibetan, I’m happy, because you’re supporting me. That’s the most
stupid way of thinking imaginable; it has no basis in reality.
I should be happy for you to be pizza-loving Italians; I am happy; I should
be happy. A pizza-eating Italian who likes Dharma, whose mind is subdued, is incredible.
And it’s a true picture of Italians. Who wants artificial Italians? Anyway, they’ll
never change!
When monks and nuns are in a monastery or a Dharma center, they wear their robes;
fine. But when they go out, they put on exactly the same clothes that everybody else
is wearing and don’t look any different from lay people. That’s dangerous; I’m not
happy about this. You should somehow signify that you’re a monk or nun so that people
can recognize you as such, and so that you yourself will remember. That was Lord Buddha’s
intention in having the Sangha wear robes. The clothes you wear should signify that
you’re ordained, distinguish you from lay people, remind you of your obligations,
and allow others to recognize you as a monk or nun.
My conclusion is that you need to wear something so that both other people will
recognize you as a follower of some kind of path and so that you yourself will feel
different from the laity. That will make your behavior completely different. We are
not free from the influence of vibrations, so you should wear something that vibrates
to show that you’re a monk or nun. That will protect you from garbage thoughts.
Therefore, I am saying that it is very, very important to change your outside appearance
according to your own culture. Last year I surveyed what people at various different
centers thought, and most Dharma students agreed that the Sangha needed to modify
the traditional robes because in the West some people were upset by them. From my
side I didn’t feel the need for change; change requires thought. But the reality is
that most Western Dharma students thought the Sangha should wear something different
than traditional robes. So what can you say? You mean well; you want to give a good
impression. But, in fact, you upset people, so what can you do? If you’ve had the
experience of wearing robes in public in the West, you’ll understand this well.
Otherwise, you’ll be thinking, “What is Lama talking about? We’re happy here. We’re
so beautiful wearing our robes, I want to wear these robes, I want to wear what my
guru wears, I don’t want to wear something samsaric.” However, you are from an entirely
different culture. When Buddhism went from India to Tibet, the monks’ robes changed
completely; there’s nothing Indian left. The same thing happened when Buddhism went
to China and Japan, Korea and Vietnam. Of course, there are some similarities, but
basically they are different. Why are they different? You cannot say their Dharma
is bad Dharma. You cannot say that Tibetan Dharma is better, that it is better to
wear Tibetan robes. That would just be an ego trip. Because climates and cultures
vary, people compromise and come up with something that suits their environment.
Let’s agree that we need to consider making some changes in the robes and that slowly,
slowly we’ll check out how to do that. When you are here in Dharamsala, you can wear
exactly the same robes as Tibetans wear; Tibetan people will be very happy. But you
are not Tibetan; don’t think you are Tibetan. You’re going to spend most of your life
in the West, in your own country. Therefore, think about it.
For example, the shem-thab. Thai monks don’t wear those as do we Tibetans;
they don’t wear zens, either, so what’s the big deal? The most important thing
is that the robes you wear should signify, or identify, you as a monk or nun. Ultimately,
of course, robes don’t mean anything.
We should experiment. We should invite some lay people to give their opinions on
whether the Sangha should wear this or that. It’s good for the people to judge. If
the majority doesn’t like you wearing these robes, if it makes them angry, is that
profitable or not? It’s not so good if the way you dress upsets them. Lay people are
very important when it comes to interacting with our monks and nuns. You can’t say
that monks and nuns are everything and that lay people are nothing, so therefore we’re
just going to do our own trip. You’d be wrong there. We are not beyond society. We
are in society; we are linked with lay people. Lay people should also accept us. They’re
not stupid. They’re concerned about Buddhadharma; they want Buddhadharma so much.
There’s a Tibetan admonition, “Do not do anything to destroy the laity’s faith and
devotion in the Dharma.” Monks and nuns have to be aware of that and should not create
the karma of destroying lay people’s faith in the Dharma. Lord Buddha himself taught
that the Sangha should be socially acceptable. Society should feel, “Monks and nuns
are so good; they are our object of refuge.” We should always remember that and act
accordingly.
Let’s do a few questions and answers. Sometimes I get a bit extreme and talk nonsense,
which just makes you angry. Well, I don’t want to do that, so please express anything
that will be of benefit to all of us.
Q. I think hair length, especially for women, may be an even more important
issue than the robes.
Lama. That’s true. I think some Sangha in the West have already started keeping
their hair a little longer. We should understand why they do this rather than criticize
them; we have some experience. Many nuns are working in society, some as center directors,
and they’ve had to grow their hair a little in order to relate better to people they
encounter. I feel that’s perfectly acceptable; don’t you? Good. It is very important
that we understand each other; then there won’t be problems among us. That’s the best
way. We should understand what each different country considers good behavior for
monks and nuns and act accordingly, in order to benefit society.
Q. Lama, I hope that you will organize a meeting with lay people to discuss
the robes.
Lama. Good idea. Lay people love Dharma, therefore, they love Sangha. They
want their Sangha to have the best behavior in the world. We should feel that Sangha
and lay people make up one society. Within a society there can be all kinds of different
groups, but we should still feel the unity of being one family.
Q. If new-style robes were adopted, would they be the same in all Western
countries?
Lama. We’d have to make a decision on an international level. When people
from many different countries have agreed, then we can change. You don’t need to wear
Tibetan-style robes. But of course, we can do this gradually; there’s no need for
any radical changes. For example, even when we’ve changed, if some people still want
to wear Tibetan robes in the monastery, okay, let them. But you have to think about
what changes to make.
Q. Sometimes it’s hard for a new monk to know how to behave.
Lama. Guidance has to come from the older monks, and even though we don’t
have any really old Western monks, our senior ones do have much more experience than
those newly ordained. Historically, older monks have always taken responsibility to
see that new ones are properly nurtured to facilitate their spiritual growth. I feel
I should do more, but it’s difficult for me to get around to all the places where
there are Sangha. Therefore, older monks and nuns should take responsibility for the
young ones. If you go to the monasteries in south India, you’ll see the opposite to
what you’d normally expect: that in making sure that they get educated and have the
means of living, the older monks are almost servants to the young ones. So far we’ve
not been able to do that, but we definitely should.
Q. How much contact should there be in the future between Western monks and
nuns? Should we have different monasteries?
Lama. There should be separate monasteries. We already have some 50 monks
and 50 nuns, so we should definitely have a broader vision. In the future we’re going
to have many more; both the monks’ and the nuns’ communities are going to grow…by
thousands, millions! So we have to figure out how we’re going to take care of them.
If you check out why you got ordained, you can see that it’s logical that others will
also become monks and nuns. As our organization grows and facilitates the spread of
Dharma, as we produce more and better educated teachers, it’s only natural that there’ll
be more monks and nuns. Therefore, it’s your responsibility to create conducive conditions
for the future Sangha. You may have faced difficulties coming up during this early
time, but we have to establish better facilities for those coming after you, separate
places for monks and for nuns. Basically, the nuns are responsible for the future
nuns and the monks for the future monks, but since we’re a Sangha community, we have
to help each other. Nalanda Monastery in France is only the beginning. Not everybody
wants to go to France. For one thing, the language is too much! So in the future,
we’re going to have Nalanda Monasteries in each European country, in Australia, in
all Western countries. It will happen through the power of Buddhadharma, not just
because I wish it. I just let go. Don’t think Lama Yeshe wants a million monks and
nuns. Who’d want all that trouble! But think about why you became monks and nuns;
it’s interesting. Then you can see how in the future many others will want to do it.
Therefore, we should dedicate ourselves to creating better facilities for them. Getting
back to the problem of older Western monks and nuns not taking care of the younger
ones, I think this is partly a result of cultural influence. In Tibet, as I mentioned
before, senior monks and nuns take great care of the young ones. When I saw that the
older Western Sangha didn’t do this, I went into culture shock; I didn’t understand
that. It’s not that we don’t have older monks and nuns; we do. But they have no ambition
to look after the new ones. What do you think about that? Let’s hear from one nun
and one monk.
Q. Well, it’s not only that the older nuns don’t want to take care of the
new ones; sometimes the young ones don’t want to be told what to do.
Lama. Yes, that’s possible. What about the monks?
Q. I’ve found that older monks have been helpful when I’ve asked.
Lama. Yes, that’s right. Perhaps if new monks ask older ones respectfully,
they respond. We should develop good relationships with each other like that.
Q. When I was the gekö at Kopan, it was the older monks and nuns who created
the most trouble, so from that point of view it was difficult to respect them.
Lama. Yes, that’s a good example. Sometimes it’s true that older monks and
nuns don’t cooperate for the benefit of the group—they make incredible rationalizations
based on their own individual trips. I’ve seen it myself. But I hope that the situation
is changing, that older monks are becoming more concerned for the benefit of the majority
than for their own trips.
Q. Sometimes the older Sangha may not realize they’re the senior ones; they
might still think they’re fairly new. But when you look behind you, you can see that
there are many young ones there.
Lama. That’s true; that’s a good example. That definitely happens. They still
think they’re young. Anyway, I just want to emphasize again that I want the senior
monks and nuns to take responsibility for ensuring that the future generations of
Sangha are comfortable and well educated for their own growth and for the benefit
of others.
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