An interview with
Dr. Nick Ribush for Eastern Horizen magazine
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Dr Nicholas, thank you for coming all the way from America
to share the Dharma with us. In order to expand further your
talk at the Global Conference (http://www.lamayeshe.com/about/articles/heart.shtml),
permit me to present a few questions to you.
No, thank you for inviting me to Malaysia to meet old and
new Dharma friends. I’m happy to try to answer a few
questions but I’m afraid I don’t know much.
Many teachings of the Buddha were meant for the monks. Does
this make Buddhism more relevant for the monastic rather
than the common laity?
First of all, I think we could say that anyone, even a layperson,
who takes an interest in and practices Buddhism is far from
being ordinary, or common. Such people are extremely fortunate.
They also have the extra responsibility to use the Dharma
for the benefit of others. However, just because certain
teachings were given to an audience of monks doesn’t
mean they are not relevant for others. We can say that certain
Vinaya teachings were meant for monks, but there are others
that are equally applicable to the laity. For example, the
five precepts that lay people take in order to become serious
practicing Buddhists are the first step on the path to enlightenment.
What are the preliminary practices for someone who wishes
to be a Buddhist but also wants to remain a householder with
a job and family?
The first preliminary practice is to take refuge. However,
refuge should be taken with understanding, not simply because
one’s family is Buddhist, one’s friend is a Buddhist,
one’s country is Buddhist, or for some other ritualistic
purpose. Taking refuge is a natural outcome of the recognition
that samsara is suffering. There are two causes for taking
refuge. The first is the fear of suffering, which kind of
pushes us from behind. There are actually three kinds of
sufferings to fear and therefore three levels of cause for
taking refuge. The first suffering to fear is that of the
three lower realms: the hell, hungry ghost and animal realms.
The second is one’s own suffering in any realm of existence,
not only lower but also upper. Here, one takes refuge in
order to attain nirvana; this is the motivation for self-liberation.
The third level of fear is that of not only one’s own
suffering in samsara, but that of all other sentient beings’ suffering.
In this case, one takes refuge to attain enlightenment in
order to free all other sentient beings and lead them to
enlightenment. Whichever level of suffering we fear, we see
that Buddha, Dharma and Sangha are the solution to it.
The second cause for taking refuge is full confidence in
the Triple Gem to save, or protect, us. This confidence,
or faith, sort of pulls us along the path from in front.
There’s kind of a carrot and stick approach when taking
refuge. Fear is the stick; faith is the carrot. We understand
how the Buddha overcame his own suffering and with compassion
shared his teachings with all of us. The Buddha is like a
doctor for our minds, which are full of greed, hatred and
ignorance. We also understand how his teachings, the Dharma,
can lead us out of samsaric suffering to complete enlightenment
and are medicine for the deluded mind. Thus, Dharma is the
actual refuge. Finally, we understand the qualities of Sangha,
the community of monks and nuns. Actually, there are absolute
and relative Sangha. The community of monks and nuns constitutes
relative Sangha, while absolute Sangha is anyone who has
realized the ultimate nature of his or her mind and has therefore
transcended ego. Sangha is like the nurse who helps us take
our medicine--those who help us along the path.
Once we have become Buddhist by taking refuge in the Triple
Gem, our obligation is to follow the law of karma: to purify
past negative karma and refrain from creating any more. To
guide us in this, we need to know the ten non-virtuous actions:
three non-virtuous actions of body--killing, stealing and
sexual misconduct; four non-virtuous actions of speech--telling
lies, speaking harshly, divisive speech and gossiping; and
three non-virtuous actions of mind--ill will, covetousness
and wrong views. Understanding and avoiding these non-virtuous
actions helps prevent us from creating negative karma. This
is where we take the five precepts, as I mentioned before,
vowing not to kill, not to steal, not to engage in sexual
misconduct, not to tell lies, and to avoid intoxicants. This
keeps us firmly on the Dharma path. Preliminary practices
help us purify negative karma, avoid planting more negative
seeds, accumulate virtuous actions and enhance the virtuous
qualities that we already have. Preliminary practice can
be summarized as: “Avoid evil, do good, and purify
your mind. This is the teaching of the Buddha.”
In addition to the practice of morality, which we do on
the basis of refuge, as lay practitioners we also engage
in meditation to calm, control and understand our mind. Most
of us don’t live in a cave, monastery or retreat center,
so to practice meditation effectively it’s best if
we can reserve a small room or corner in our house for meditation.
Set up a small shrine with a Buddha statue to represent the
Buddha’s holy body, a sutra text to represent the Buddha’s
Holy speech and a stupa to represent Buddha’s holy
mind. For added inspiration, we can also put a picture of
our personal teacher on our shrine. On or in front of the
shrine we can make daily offerings of flowers, incense and
so forth. In the Tibetan tradition, each morning we also
offer seven bowls of water. We can also put a money box there
and make daily money offerings to the Triple Gem. Then, on
auspicious days, like Vesak, we can take the money out of
the box and offer it to our teacher, monks or nuns, or our
temple or Dharma center. Making offerings like this is an
excellent way of developing the all-important practice of
giving.
In the Tibetan tradition we also have the formal preliminaries
that can be practiced by monks, nuns or lay people. In the
Geluk tradition, which is one of the four main Tibetan schools,
there are nine preliminary practices: prostration, mandala
offering, Vajrasattva recitation-meditation, refuge, guru
mantra recitation, Samayavajra recitation-meditation, Dorje
Khadro (Vajradaka) fire puja (where we symbolically burn
our negativities of greed, hatred and ignorance by offering
black sesame into the mouth of the deity Dorje Khadro visualized
in a bed of red-hot coals), water bowl offering, and tsa-tsas
(little votive images of buddhas, bodhisattvas and so forth
made of clay or plaster). We do 100,000 repetitions of each
in intensive retreat or daily practice, gradually accumulating
the required total. Each practice, however, entails using
body, speech and mind.
These preliminary practices purify or enrich our mind so
that when we do more direct meditation on the step of the
path to enlightenment it is easier to gain realizations.
Would you classify these practices as ritual?
You imply that there’s something wrong with ritual,
but it’s not necessarily so. What we have to do is
try to make whatever ritual practice we do meaningful. The
rituals I am talking about have been practiced by Dharma
masters for centuries and have come down to us because they
work. It is important to stress these practices have to be
carried our properly with the right motivation, concentration
and dedication. What I’ve been taught is that bodhicitta--the
determination to reach enlightenment for the sake of all
sentient beings is the best motivation. Good concentration
means not letting our minds wander, while being constantly
aware of what we are doing. We also meditate on emptiness,
or ultimate reality, in order not to get caught up in ordinary
appearances. When we finish the practice we are doing, we
dedicate the merits to enlightenment of all sentient beings.
Thus, motivation, concentration and dedication are all in
harmony with our overall aim.
Are there many stories of householders who led spiritually
enriching lives during the Buddha’s time?
I don’t know if there are many such stories or not.
Many of the teachings that have come down to us from the
Buddha’s time have been transmitted by monks, who might
have a tendency to omit or diminish the role played by householders.
In the Buddha’s time, there might not have been as
many householder practitioners as there are now. In those
days, people’s karma was better and more of those who
were interested in Buddhism became monks. One famous householder
was the bodhisattva Vimalakirti, whose wisdom may be found
in The Holy Teaching of Vimalakirti, translated by Professor
Robert Thurman, where he expounds both the profound and extensive
aspects of the Mahayana to many hundreds of thousands of
bodhisattvas, arhats, gods and others--an inspiration to
the rest of us lay people that you don’t necessarily
have to be a monk to realize and teach the Dharma.
In our modern society, what values can we apply in our lives
as householders?
Modern society exhibits a tendency towards competitiveness,
greed, materialism and aggression. As Buddhist householders,
we need to counter these tendencies, at least in ourselves,
thereby offering a positive example to our children and anybody
else we come into contact with. We must keep our precepts
and meditate daily to maintain our calm. We also need to
develop a good heart, and show kindness to and have compassion
for others. Furthermore, we need to uphold the Dharma and
make it more available to all. We need to support our Dharma
center and the Sangha. In addition, we should be less materialistic
and try to live simply, using only what we need for basic
shelter, food, clothing and so forth to take care of ourselves
physically. We should be content with less, and whatever
extra we have, should share it others.
In terms of social responsibility, we need to speak up if
politicians are doing something wrong, especially on behalf
of the poor, hungry, homeless, disadvantaged, disabled, sick
and so forth. We should also speak up for disarmament and
against war and violence, promote interracial and inter-religious
harmony and say and do whatever we can to protect the environment.
Overpopulation is another social problem that seriously affects
the Earth. We need to slow down or even arrest population
growth so that the planet can heal. Maybe all us householders
should become celibate monks and nuns!
In all of this, the Dharma center is very important. Here,
like-minded people can come together to discuss important
social issues that affect their society and, as a group,
see how they can work together with other groups to seek
solutions to the problems that affect us all.
We need to have a way of transforming our daily actions
into Dharma. In his book, Making Life Meaningful, Lama Zopa
Rinpoche speaks about the importance of right motivation
and how to generate it. He also talks about the actual practice,
how to generate bodhicitta every moment, no matter what we
are doing. For example, since we do a lot of walking, Lama
Zopa tells us how to walk with emptiness, with dependent
arising, walking with impermanence and so forth. When we
understand how to walk mindfully in such ways, we can apply
the same principles to our other daily activities, such as
working, taking care of our child, eating, sleeping, experiencing
sickness, and so forth.
The first thought that should come into our mind when we
wake in the morning is how fortunate we are to still be alive.
We should think, “How many people died in their sleep
last night? How fortunate I am to still be able to alive
to be able to work for the benefit of all sentient beings.
This could be my last day on Earth, therefore, I am going
to make every moment as meaningful as possible by never separating
from the precious bodhicitta.” In this way we always
remember impermanence and death and create great merit by
imbuing every action with bodhicitta.
In the book, Lama Zopa Rinpoche teaches three levels of
positive motivation. The lowest level of positive motivation
is simply to gain a good rebirth as a human or a god. This
is quite limited, because even though it allows us to avoid
lower rebirths, we are still in samsara. The second level
of motivation is the aspiration to attain liberation from
all of samsara, nirvana. The highest level of motivation
is to seek not only our own liberation, but also that of
all others. In this beginningless cycle of death and rebirth,
other beings have helped us in every possible way, especially
with our Dharma practice and liberation, and it is selfish
and cruel to ignore them and seek our own happiness alone.
Therefore, we must work for the greatest happiness of others
by saving them from the cycle of death and rebirth and leading
them to enlightenment. In other words, we seek our own enlightenment
to gain a tool by which we can lead others to enlightenment.
This book is available on our Web site, www.lamayeshe.com.
Here, the free book can be ordered or downloaded as a pdf
file.
Whether we are monastics or laity, we all face problems
in our everyday life. Is there a Buddhist approach to solving
problems that arise?
Of course. The entire Buddhist teaching is the answer to
this question. I believe that even when the Buddha was asked
abstruse metaphysical points, he would refuse to answer and
simply say, “I teach one thing and one thing only--suffering
and the relief of suffering.” In this question, you
mention “problems,” but problems and suffering
are the same thing.
It’s true: whether we are ordained or lay, we all
face problems. These tend to arise from our pursuit of ordinary
happiness, pleasures of the senses. However, such happiness
is merely suffering in disguise. For example, when we are
hungry, we eat food, we feel happy. We identify such change
as happiness, but it is not true happiness, just less suffering.
Actually, our entire mind-body complex, which is created
by delusion and karma, is the home of suffering. We need
to see this and generate renunciation not only of the result,
suffering, but its cause: delusion and suffering. We have
to see that this world of cyclic existence is suffering and
in it, there is no true happiness, no security.
Once we understand this, we can also appreciate the suffering
that others are going through. Thus we can develop not only
renunciation of our own suffering, but also develop compassion
for other sentient beings, who, like us, since beginningless
time, have been experiencing the dreadful sufferings that
we have.
The First Noble Truth teaches us the various levels of suffering:
suffering of suffering, suffering of change, and pervasive
suffering. The Second Noble Truth explains the cause of suffering.
If we do not want suffering, it is only logical that we understand
the cause of suffering, which is created not by others but
by our own mind. Because our mind is full the three poisons
of greed, hatred and ignorance, we create negative karma.
Sooner or later, this ripens into suffering. Therefore, if
we don’t want to suffer, we must stop creating its
cause.
Furthermore, since we have been creating negative karma
since beginningless time, our mind is full of unripened seeds
of future suffering. In order to eradicate these, the Buddha
taught the four opponent powers. These are the antidotes
to future suffering. However, not only do we have to destroy
the seeds of suffering planted in this and previous lives,
we also have to stop planting more. As I said before, as
lay people, we take the five precepts to help us avoid creating
negative karma.
However, when problems arise, as they inevitably do, we
can also learn to experience them with happiness. We can
think, “This suffering I am experiencing is the ripening
of past negative karma that I created. That particular negative
karma has now finished. How lucky I am.” We can also
take the suffering we experience as a teaching on karma--on
how we alone create our own suffering and how, therefore,
it’s up to us alone to alleviate it.
We can also use our suffering to develop bodhicitta, the
cause of enlightenment, by thinking, “As I am experiencing
this problem, so too are many others. May I experience it
on their behalf. May my experiencing this problem free others
from this and all other sufferings.” Instead of wishing
with attachment to comfort and aversion to discomfort for
it to stop, we should wish for all other beings’ sufferings
to ripen on ourselves. This is experiencing problems with
compassion, with bodhicitta.
As His Holiness the Dalai Lama often says, “We are
all selfish, but let us be wise in the way we’re selfish.” If
we know how to be selfish, selfishness is good. What is selfishness?
Selfishness is wanting the best for ourselves. If we really
want the best for ourselves, what we need to do is to forget
about our own happiness and, instead, devote ourselves to
the happiness of others. This is wise selfishness. Forgetting
about ourselves and dedicating ourselves to the welfare of
others brings us the greatest happiness. This is the nature
of reality. This is what the Buddha did in his journey through
samsara, and we can do the same.
The Buddhist approach to solving problems is to understand
problems, know their cause, realize that there is a condition
free from problems, and follow the path that leads to that
freedom, not for oneself but for the sake of others; to experience
the path and then share it with others.
The most difficult problem we face is accepting change.
What is the Buddha’s advice on how to manage change
that affects us?
I don’t know if accepting change is the most difficult
problem we face, but like all problems, the difficulty in
accepting change comes from ignorance, not understanding
reality. We want reality to be something other than it is.
The reality is that all conditioned things are impermanent;
intellectually we know this. Still, when somebody dies we
feel shock or regret. But death is natural and we cannot
change it. On the gross level, things appear not to change
because as they do, something similar arises. What the Buddha
teaches is reality and we need to live in accordance with
it.
In the Buddhist tradition, our human life is regarded as
highly precious. What is the significance of this teaching?
Human life is precious, because it is very rare and extremely
useful. There are countless beings in the six realms of cyclic
existence and most of them are in the three lower realms.
In the three lower realms, most of them are in the hell realm,
suffering unbearable heat and cold for numberless eons. Most
of the sentient beings that are not in the hell realm are
hungry ghosts. Of those that are in neither the hell nor
hungry ghost realms, most are animals. Thus, the vast majority
of samsaric sentient beings are in the lower realms.
Of those that are not in the lower realms, most are gods.
Only a small minority is found in the human realm. The reason
for this is because the cause for being born human is very
hard to create. Negative karma, which brings lower rebirths,
is much easier to create. It is natural for us to act out
of ignorance, attachment and anger.
Human life is precious because it is free from the suffering
of the lower realms and has the potential to practice Dharma.
What Buddhism regards as precious is not just the human life
but what we call the perfect human rebirth. Most humans’ lives
are wasted because they are unable to practice Dharma for
various reasons. Humans have been on this Earth for millions
of years but the Buddha’s teaching became known only
about 2,500 years ago. All the human beings born before that
time had no opportunity to practice Dharma. Such times are
called dark periods because no Dharma teachings are available.
The teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha will soon disappear. Humans
born after that time will again not have the freedom to practice
Dharma. Therefore, just being born human is not enough: you
have to be born at the right time and in the right place
with the right frame of mind.
Even during the Buddha’s time, some people were born
in the wrong place. Even many of those born in the right
place died before they could listen to the teaching of the
Buddha. Even many of those born at the right time and place
had impaired senses and were unable to get the full benefit
of the Buddha’s teachings. Others’ minds were
closed so that they could not accept the truth of the Dharma.
For example, many people today suffer from scientific materialism
and believe in no religion. Thus, just being born human is
not enough.
There are many other conditions that constitute the precious
perfect human rebirth: to be in a place where the lineage
of the ordinations exists; to not have created any of the
five so-called inexpiable negativities; to have faith in
the Tripitaka; to follow the teachings; and to receive the
kindness and compassion of Dharma friends and teachers.
In short, there are eighteen attributes, and if we have
them all, we must rejoice in our ability to practice Dharma
to the full. Even if we don’t, we must do the best
we can and make sure to create the causes of what’s
missing for future lives. In this way we can avoid being
reborn in the lower realms; we can end the beginningless
cycle of death and rebirth and attain the everlasting bliss
of nirvana; and, best of all, we can attain enlightenment
for the sake of all sentient beings. This perfect human rebirth
allows us to gain all the realizations of the path to enlightenment:
impermanence, karma, renunciation, emptiness, bodhicitta--so
many things than no amount of money can ever buy.
Meditating on the perfect human rebirth allows us to overcome
loneliness, boredom, depression, anxiety, alienation, low
self-esteem, suicidal tendencies and so many other negative
states of mind. It gives us the right perspective on our
place in the universe and helps us generate compassion for
those who do not have this great opportunity to practice
Dharma and makes us want to work for their benefit more.
In the traditional Tibetan presentation of the steps of the
path to enlightenment (lam-rim), meditation on the perfect
human rebirth comes right at the beginning and is the rocket
fuel that propels us to higher levels of the path and on
to enlightenment itself.
We also need to appreciate the rarity of the perfect human
rebirth. Why is it hard to get? Because it is hard to create
its cause: practice of the six perfections and stainless
prayer. Prayer isn’t asking the Buddha to give us something
for nothing. Prayer is like pouring water on seeds that we
ourselves have planted. Prayer links the karmic cause with
its certain result. It brings the result closer and makes
it ripen sooner. But of course, if we don’t first create
the cause, our prayers are empty.
Is there a difference between the bliss of nirvana and the
bliss of buddhahood?
Yes, there is a huge difference. The greatest bliss that
we can experience in samsara is the bliss of single-pointed
concentration. On the basis of morality, we can achieve single-pointed
concentration, where bliss pervades our entire body and mind
and is far greater than any pleasure of the physical senses.
Far beyond the bliss of single-pointed concentration is that
of nirvana. This is achieved by generating renunciation the
whole of samsara, developing single-pointed concentration
and meditating on the ultimate nature of the mind. Thus,
we cut through the veils of ignorance, transcend our ego
and put a final end to the sufferings of samsara. The motivation
that leads us to this state is based on limited renunciation
of our own suffering. A far greater motivation is renunciation
of the suffering that all beings experience. Because the
object of the happiness we seek is not just one sentient
being, oneself, but all sentient beings, the bliss of buddhahood
is far greater than that of nirvana.
Is bodhicitta practiced in the Pali Canon?
I don’t know. The practice of bodhicitta may not be
in the Pali Canon but the practice of compassion is definitely
there. Bodhicitta is based on the compassion for all beings.
But the teachings in the Pali Canon are not the only teachings
that the Buddha gave. The Buddha taught at different times,
in different places and to different kinds of people according
to their need and level of mind. The Buddha gave the Mahayana
teachings in Sanskrit; he gave Vajrayana teachings in the
esoteric form of a deity. Some Buddhist schools do not accept
the teachings of other school, but this is very dangerous.
One of the worst karmas we can create is to denigrate or
belittle the teachings of other schools. At one time or another
on our journey to enlightenment we will need all the teachings
of the Buddha. If at this time we reject some of the Buddha’s
teachings we will create an obstacle in our mind to receiving
them, and when the time comes that we need them, they will
not be there. So even though we may not need certain teachings
right now, we should still honor and respect them. Actually,
we should rejoice at the existence of all the other religions
of the world, even though philosophically, some of their
teachings may be contrary to ours. Religion exists to make
the world a better place. Sentient beings’ minds are
so complicated that there is a need for all the various religions
of the world. There could not possibly be one religion that
suited everybody. Even in Buddhism there are different schools,
and in any particular school there are also subdivisions.
Out of his great wisdom and compassion, the Buddha taught
vast varieties of practices in order to reach as many people
as possible. Anyway, from what I’ve been taught, the
main difference between the Theravada and Mahayana traditions
is the practice of bodhicitta.
What must we do to ensure we live a noble human life so
that we have a good rebirth?
We need to live a life based on pure morality. If we want
to make the most of our human life, we should probably become
monks or nuns, taking as many of the pratimoksha precepts
as we can. In addition to those, there are also the bodhisattva
and tantric vows. The more precepts we take and keep purely,
the better will be our chances of a good rebirth.
His Holiness the Dalai Lama often says that Buddhism can
be summed up in the phrase “If you can’t help
others, at least don’t harm them.” A noble human
life is led on the basis of ahimsa—non-violence; not
giving harm to others. On the basis of not giving harm, we
should then try to help others as much as we can: materially,
physically and mentally. However, the best way to help others
is by giving them Dharma. Therefore, we should support our
Dharma center, support the propagation of the Buddha’s
teachings and, best of all, transform our minds themselves
into Dharma.
But the purpose of living this life should be more than
simply seeking a good rebirth. It should be to free all sentient
beings from suffering. In order to do this, we need to become
enlightened. It’s pretty unlikely that we’ll
be able to achieve enlightenment in this lifetime, so we
need to ensure that we’ll be able to continue practicing
Dharma in future lives. That doesn’t mean simply gaining
a good rebirth. Rebirth in the god realms is considered a
good rebirth but that’s not what we want, because we
can’t practice Dharma there. What we want is an unbroken
series of perfect human rebirths until we realize bodhicitta
or reach enlightenment. That means we have to make sure we
create the right causes, which I mentioned before: practicing
the six perfections and making stainless prayers to achieve
enlightenment for the sole purpose of enlightening all sentient
beings. This is the truly noble life. Unfortunately, not
one I lead myself!
Sadhu, Sadhu, Sadhu, for allowing me to pick your mind on
the Dharma.
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